Major VPN provider says it could leave Canada over lawful access bill
Major VPN provider says it could leave Canada over lawful access bill
OTTAWA — Virtual private network service NordVPN warned on Friday it could pull out of Canada over the federal government’s proposed lawful access bill.News Staff (CityNews Toronto)
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Snapdragon
in reply to sqgl • • •slazer2au
in reply to sqgl • • •NarrativeBear
in reply to sqgl • • •Canada post and other mail providers will now be opening all envelopes and packages sent. All contents will be scanned or photographed and held on file for 2 years time, and released to relevant authorities upon request of investigation. To make things easier please do not seal packages or envelopes for easier and more convenient access.
All photos and scanned documents will be held in a highly secured database with easy backdoors access!
Pretty much the equivalent in terms of what Canada wants to implement with access to VPN logs and asking ISPs to keep logs for 1-2 years minimum.
ohshit604
in reply to NarrativeBear • • •Can’t wait for someone to walk into a Canada Post with a rifle or shotgun in hand to ship to a new address.
For the unaware, it’s easier for PAL holders to ship a firearm than take it on a plane when moving provinces.
HumanOnEarth
in reply to ohshit604 • • •.....it should be, shouldn't it? Am I missing something?
ohshit604
in reply to HumanOnEarth • • •I mean you’re not wrong but then this question arises. Do you want someone who is licensed to posses and acquire firearms handling said firearm or a random postal worker?
Buddy of mine ordered a Howa 1500 in 6.5 creedmoor and had it shipped, i think through UPS, and they just left it at his door while he wasn’t home, no signature required.
HumanOnEarth
in reply to ohshit604 • • •I am definitely more concerned about the chance of someone who is licensed going nuts (or having nefarious intentions), than I am about a random postal worker potentially seeing a packaged/secured firearm moving through the system.
The potential harm is so, so much greater in the airplane scenario.
ohshit604
in reply to HumanOnEarth • • •How often does this happen in Canada? The odds of someone unlicensed and in illegal possession of a firearm committing this is far greater than what you’re claiming.
1 in 10 Canadians claim to have packages stolen every year but sure, let’s continue to target Canadians who already go through a heavy vetting process by the RCMP and Canadian Firearms Program even more.
One out of 10 Canadians had packages stolen in the past year: survey
Pat Foran (CTVNews)HumanOnEarth
in reply to ohshit604 • • •Your mask slipped off buddy... might want to put it back.
Edit: Holy fucking bot (even if not literally). Sorry I even wasted my time 🙄
ohshit604
in reply to HumanOnEarth • • •FineCoatMummy
in reply to sqgl • • •I found this statement from the article confusing
Bill sounds awful
Ugh.
I prob believe that Canada would not go full DPRK with this. But that's not the point! Point is, there's no such thing as a backdoor for only good guys. Backdoors impact everyone. We already saw this here in the US in 1994 iwth CALEA. That was infiltrated by hostile foreign govs to
... Show more...I found this statement from the article confusing
Bill sounds awful
Ugh.
I prob believe that Canada would not go full DPRK with this. But that's not the point! Point is, there's no such thing as a backdoor for only good guys. Backdoors impact everyone. We already saw this here in the US in 1994 iwth CALEA. That was infiltrated by hostile foreign govs to gain broad surveilence inside US telecom networks.
On top of that! Once you agree to build backdoors for a gov like Canada that mostly respects human rights... now the most repressive and brutal regimes in the world will demand the same access. It is dangerous to normalize ways to bypass encryption.
U.S. law governing telecommunications
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Em Adespoton
in reply to FineCoatMummy • • •The statement you found confusing… was a quote from WindScribe VPN.
They’re saying that since they’re a Canadian company, they can’t just avoid cooperation by denying service to Canadians — this affects their global operations.
FineCoatMummy
in reply to Em Adespoton • • •Law Abiding VPN User
in reply to sqgl • • •RainbowBlite
in reply to Law Abiding VPN User • • •They might remove their Canadian servers but you can use Mullvad without giving them any personal information. The government would need to block Mullvad or Mullvad would need to block Canadian IPs.
I doubt Mullvad would block Canadian IPs; it would be a bit antithetical to their business model. The Canadian government couldn't really go after a company without any Canadian presence either.
Law Abiding VPN User
in reply to RainbowBlite • • •if you use a credit card to pay for mullvad or buy a voucher from the Canadian amazon store, there would be financial records of that. Peaceful protestors in canada have already been de-banked yes, the trucker's protestors. The media is evil and they lie constantly...don't trust them.
So maybe the banks in canada would be set to block any transactions to buy VPN subscriptions or to buy anything even related to subverting control. There's already been talk about banning bitcoin and other cryptocurrency like Monaro. They claim it's to protect the environment, but really it's because cryptocurrency is impossible for one single person to control.
but then there's VPN providers like Nym which are run entirely by volunteers. Totally de-centralized networks for VPN providers might be the future. People from Proton have already talked about doing that if they couldn't run it they way they currently do.
Majestic
in reply to sqgl • • •Quickly running out of places where VPN companies can be legally incorporated/based and where exit servers can be located that aren't subject to advancing laws like these.
All the fools who were saying "lol they can't ban VPNs, impossible!!!" are looking well ever more foolish and will feel very confused and shocked when the pain actually hits them and they realize it's not so easy and they were wrong and complacent and too late now to do anything. But these are primarily westerners who've never had the western sanctions regime and its full power turned against anything they care about so they can be forgiven a bit for not understanding how powerful it is, its total dominance of financial exchange and how lacking a counter state interest by Russia or China in spinning up their own censorship resistant VPN for western users there isn't really much counter to it. Russia and China are going to sit and laugh at you flailing about in the tattered remains of your liberal illusions of freedom and not lift a finger to help.
Sure you can pay for a VPS and spin up a VPN on that
... Show more...Quickly running out of places where VPN companies can be legally incorporated/based and where exit servers can be located that aren't subject to advancing laws like these.
All the fools who were saying "lol they can't ban VPNs, impossible!!!" are looking well ever more foolish and will feel very confused and shocked when the pain actually hits them and they realize it's not so easy and they were wrong and complacent and too late now to do anything. But these are primarily westerners who've never had the western sanctions regime and its full power turned against anything they care about so they can be forgiven a bit for not understanding how powerful it is, its total dominance of financial exchange and how lacking a counter state interest by Russia or China in spinning up their own censorship resistant VPN for western users there isn't really much counter to it. Russia and China are going to sit and laugh at you flailing about in the tattered remains of your liberal illusions of freedom and not lift a finger to help.
Sure you can pay for a VPS and spin up a VPN on that but that has your credit card on it with your name making it clear its you doing it and providing zero plausible deniability and as a non-residential IP you're going to be getting increasing amounts of blocks by anti-AI-scraper methods as well as fraud alerts. Also it doesn't hide you in the crowd so even advertisers who don't have access to your credit card like authorities would will be able to associate all your activity back to one person and it's just a short correlation from there via a mistake back to your real identity. Also won't help much with torrenting copyright content as your provider will drop you at the first sign of trouble. Maybe you can find one that shrugs off DMCAs but I bet you'll be paying through the nose. No more $5/month long term plan, get ready for $25/month and much higher than that and you still won't necessarily be able to avoid ISP throttling of your traffic if they move to allow-listing for uncapped speeds only to known services and throttle everything else.
Very grim.
Encrypt-Keeper
in reply to Majestic • • •Major countries, sure. But there are plenty of countries out there that thrive on weird little niche industries that would love to make some dough being VPN exit points.
The nation of Tuvalu gets 15% of its GDP from .tv domain registration fees.
quick_snail
in reply to Majestic • • •FoundFootFootage78
in reply to sqgl • • •So do the people who wrote this bill not understand how encryption works, or is the American government staffed by conspiracy theorist nutters?
EDIT: Looked it up and, little bit of both, little bit of neither. It basically bans the idea of "systemically private" services, any privacy needs to be subject to human whims and therefore court ord
... Show more...So do the people who wrote this bill not understand how encryption works, or is the American government staffed by conspiracy theorist nutters?
EDIT: Looked it up and, little bit of both, little bit of neither. It basically bans the idea of "systemically private" services, any privacy needs to be subject to human whims and therefore court orders. Revocable privacy is not privacy.