Instagram running ads promoting child sexual abuse material in India, BBC finds
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India: Instagram running ads promoting child sexual abuse material, BBC finds
The ads use terms including “rape” and “child video” and link to content on the messaging app Telegram.Divya Arya (BBC News)
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HackThePlanet
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •TankovayaDiviziya
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in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • • •True, but I think the fact that a good portion of the services were the "first" to be used also comes into play.
As an example, I always think of WhatsApp, which in my country has (unfortunately) become the messaging service used by everyone, even businesses. WhatsApp was the first to arrive in a market where no one else offered that service (or offered it at its level), and thanks to this, it has gained a following of users who now, out of laziness, don't want to switch services even though they (perhaps) realize that there are better ones out there.
For many, they use it simply out of habit and the laziness of not wanting to switch to something else. Like those who used Internet Explorer because installing another, clearly better, browser was too much of a hassle.
buffing_lecturer
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in reply to buffing_lecturer • • •FoxAlive
in reply to kureta • • •Its insane when I was in Texas I heard ads for power companies saying you get "free power" between certain times.
I can 100% seeing people get ai driven pricing that monitors your usage and charges you the most when you are at home or the least when you are at work or asleep.
Its a insane idea to privatize and commodify a utility like electricity like that. LLMs are kind of of the same mechanism but over information on the internet. Pretty soon the internet won't be accessible unless you have some official google Facebook or whatever account tied to your ID. Every major website will just cease to function unless you sign in. Its pretty much already like that, I can't see reddit anymore sense I got banned and always am on a VPN. Newpipe forces me to change my IP every 3-4 hours because YouTube suspects I'm a bot. The only way to access any information will be through a LLM, and you will pay out the ass for it and its going to be full of dark patterns to try to keep you on as long as possible, and feed you as much advertisements. And thats if they even show you real info
... Show more...Its insane when I was in Texas I heard ads for power companies saying you get "free power" between certain times.
I can 100% seeing people get ai driven pricing that monitors your usage and charges you the most when you are at home or the least when you are at work or asleep.
Its a insane idea to privatize and commodify a utility like electricity like that. LLMs are kind of of the same mechanism but over information on the internet. Pretty soon the internet won't be accessible unless you have some official google Facebook or whatever account tied to your ID. Every major website will just cease to function unless you sign in. Its pretty much already like that, I can't see reddit anymore sense I got banned and always am on a VPN. Newpipe forces me to change my IP every 3-4 hours because YouTube suspects I'm a bot. The only way to access any information will be through a LLM, and you will pay out the ass for it and its going to be full of dark patterns to try to keep you on as long as possible, and feed you as much advertisements. And thats if they even show you real information and not elon musk/Prager u's alternative history ai nonsense.
The internet is being dismantled as we speak, stolen, and then will repackaged to us in a form that is just a giant loot box. Like imagine having to constantly reroll your Claude code paying 10 bucks a spin so you can finish your gig work job done through some app. And you make 6 dollars after the LLM, and gig work app takes its fees. There where Israel gaming (gaming as in slot machines) companies that got kids addicted to video game gambling. They have numerous mobile slot machine apps for kids, and are apart of the gaming commission which heavily lobbied for gambling (lootboxes) in games. Then and the millennial adults addicted to kalshi, every one is programmed for this bullshit.
ashbeef
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •FoxAlive
in reply to ashbeef • • •What's funny is they are constantly pushings ads right now that says the google playstore is the safest place and has no malware. Ironically some around 60-70% of malware comes from the google playstore directly.
Yet google is pushing so hard for third party apps to not be able to be installed on android what soever. Meaning you HAVE to go to the playstore filled with malware, and can't even use some FOSS github alternative.
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ashbeef
in reply to FoxAlive • • •The initial news was luckily for us quite overblown if it really just turns out to be a 24hr wait to permanently install third party apks then I'm pleasantly happy with it.
Still have a Graphene Pixel setup in a drawer for the inevitable day I'll need it
FoxAlive
in reply to ashbeef • • •Yeah for now. Googles also forcing their captchas to only work with official android software. If its not one way theres another way. Google has a million tenticles independently acting at once. You cut one off theres 4 more that where doing stuff you couldnt even consider could happen.
Also developers still need to register and give out their ID. What if someone makes an app that alerts you when ICE is going to break into your home? Now the goverment knows who the developer is and lock him up for 180 years for terrorism. This is still a loss for us, and in line with googles goals. Google is still taking steps forward and will not stop. This is a constant fight.
mineralman
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •Makes the mass layoffs in the tech sector all the more galling.
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shio
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •who the hell at facebook is approving these ads?
||no i am not calling it meta||
Dr. Moose
in reply to shio • • •FoxAlive
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •Meta would let accounts reported for human trafficking purposefully remain active for 17 days or more if it helped with engagement.
So accounts where someone was potentially being trafficked and forced to prostitution where encouraged by meta to remain up for as long as possible.
Meta also is losing a lawsuit for being dangerous to teens. Yet every advertisement I get for them on YouTube, reddit etc claim they have saftey features for teens. Everything they say is the opposite.
Also this problem is mostly Ais fault.
KangarooOnLSD
in reply to FoxAlive • • •- YouTube
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oppy1984
in reply to FoxAlive • • •I was with you until the last line. This has nothing to do with A.I. Facebook has been doing this kind of stuff long before A.I. was a thing.
You can be anti-A.I. that's fine, but don't conflate the two when one proceeds the other. You're just hurting your own argument when you throw in things like that.
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FoxAlive
in reply to oppy1984 • • •Facebook is in a constant loop of firing employees and using the existing ones to train ai. Much of metas whole brand is algorithms (ai) and consuming your data while doing nothing about real systemic issues because they need your data to feed their ai and make ad revenu. I think its fair to say most of Facebook is just ai. They have LLMS, social manipulating algorithms for advertisers to exploit, facial detection, etc etc.
At the core its Ai just becoming a paper clip maximizer while willfully ignoring the obvious flaws, and instead choosing to double down. Now we have ai moderation in Facebook, and instead of banning porn ads, or direct scams they ban people for political speech with ai using basic keywords and image scanning tools which are wrong majority of the time. Thats another lawsuit Facebook is facing right now.
To me I don't see how you can't say ai is not a major contributor to this problem. Sure maybe if we hired back all the human employees nothing would change, but I don't think expanding the systematic tools that are used to abuse you while continually
... Show more...Facebook is in a constant loop of firing employees and using the existing ones to train ai. Much of metas whole brand is algorithms (ai) and consuming your data while doing nothing about real systemic issues because they need your data to feed their ai and make ad revenu. I think its fair to say most of Facebook is just ai. They have LLMS, social manipulating algorithms for advertisers to exploit, facial detection, etc etc.
At the core its Ai just becoming a paper clip maximizer while willfully ignoring the obvious flaws, and instead choosing to double down. Now we have ai moderation in Facebook, and instead of banning porn ads, or direct scams they ban people for political speech with ai using basic keywords and image scanning tools which are wrong majority of the time. Thats another lawsuit Facebook is facing right now.
To me I don't see how you can't say ai is not a major contributor to this problem. Sure maybe if we hired back all the human employees nothing would change, but I don't think expanding the systematic tools that are used to abuse you while continually ignoring the glaring issues like sex trafficking, csam, scams, drugs etc is a good look. You can't tell me they have the ai tools now to ban tens to hundreds of thousands of people for a single word in a comment 5 years ago, but they can't stop when their advertisers post csam? They know what they are doing and they are using algorithms to boost their ad revenue. This company has been found guilty in court for essentially rigging the election. They have bragged about manipulating peoples feeds to force their emotions to change to see of they make more profits. I don't understand how you can't see the facts I posted and not see how Ai is exaggerating these problems to the point of it being criminal.
If you are trying to make some kind of distinction between LLMs that chatgpt use, and the different between algorithms on a Facebook feed, I am happy to make the distinction. But in general artificial intelligence is a broad term, and covers all those. To pre-argue the next point Facebook does have LLMS that do the average chat bot stuff too, and yes Facebook has gotten in trouble for having them sext teens.
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PolarKraken
in reply to FoxAlive • • •They were super bad (like, global leaders in innovating new levels of bad) before LLMs took off, not that controversial or difficult of a distinction.
Completely agree with the commenter who replied to you, and suddenly saying "it's mostly AI" at the end frankly just lets them off the hook. Cuz they were doing this the old fashioned human way for a long time, and it bears remembering. Paying workers in other countries to traumatize themselves horrifically in order to classify and censor the worst of the worst.
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FoxAlive
in reply to PolarKraken • • •The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don't own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.
Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they've done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don't use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all o
... Show more...The algorithms that manipulates your Facebook feed is Ai and yes that predated LLMs and chatgpt who turned this Ai craze into meaningless marketing term. When most people think of Ai they almost exclusively think of chatgpt, or grok. LLMs are not the only form of Ai, thats marketing hype and the same mechanisms that make us start refering to chatgpt or google as a verb. They don't own a term that describes a vast arrange of software and technologies.
Yes Facebook have been using ai and manipulating peoples feeds for the benefit of their advertisers. This system was used to do a regime change in Egypt and thanks to Cambridge analytica essentially got trump elected the first time. You can say they've done it the human way for a long time, but thats not true it was a short period of time before they started training face tagging algorithms, systematically collecting data on you even when you don't use a Facebook account, even something simple like changing from a organic feed to an algorithmic manipulation feed. Facebook has had Ai in it some from sort from the start, and all of it was and still is bad. I don't know how to explain anymore clearly that just because LLMs exist now that doesnt mean Ai didn't existed in the past. I can't explain to you how much of Facebook has always been just ai data scraping, illegal nonsense.
I think you guys are getting caught up in wording because we are talking about the same thing. Maybe you guys didn't use it back then and thought it was something more organic and akin to MySpace. It was like that for a year before they started doing weird privacy invading shit because they got inqtel funding. The only thing I don't have a retort to is humans having to moderate content. I can tell you why we shouldnt use Ai but not a productive alternative.
Also I in no way want to let them off the hook, if anything I think their punishments should be worse or even excessive, for trying to pin their intentions on Ai and mysterious algorithms they pretend not to understand, yet they some how figured out how to abuse that algorithm for their ad partners. If I where to have it my way mark zuckerburg would be in prison already by a judge who insist on using maximum sentences for all possible crimes I can think of, and meta/Facebook would get a fine thats impossible to pay back similar to infowars.
PolarKraken
in reply to FoxAlive • • •oppy1984
in reply to FoxAlive • • •I completely agree that facebook is an evil company and guilty of most if not all that you have laid out. I qualified that since some of the things you stated I have not heard of since I don't pay attention to facebook for the most part.
The second half of my comment was directed at your final line "Also this problem is mostly Ais fault." this just sounds like a broad anti-AI statement and not one aimed at facebook's use of AI. I was trying to communicate that many people, myself included, have found AI to be very helpful as a tool, and a generalized statement tagged onto the end of your comment could be seen as anti-AI to those who see value in AI.
I fully agree I could have explained that better in my previous comment, that is on me. I do hope this helps clarify my statement, and you can see that, while not worded the best, my intention was only to help you not turn others away from your core argument.
FoxAlive
in reply to oppy1984 • • •I mean I can see the value in ai too and still making broad sweeping anti-ai statements at the same time. Its more productive to broadly be anti-ai than it is to really stop to promote it in anyways. Also I don't think you guys realize things only become illegal after we make a fuss about it, positive change doesnt come from positive thinking. These tech companies do not underatand consent. Theres literally trillions of dollars going into this nonsense and promoting it, we don't need anymore sympathy. we could of solved world hunger FOREVER 5 times over, or got universal healthcare. But nope instead that money goes straight to elon musk and we are told that grok (who convinced 15+ people to kill themselves) should be our therapist instead. And if you think thats wrong you are a dangerous human being and should be grate full for an amazing wonderful technology.
If anything in a believer in open sourced models that anyone can run. But you know thats less than 1% of people who used any ai. Also thats not what people think of when they think of Ai. The general public thinks cool
... Show more...I mean I can see the value in ai too and still making broad sweeping anti-ai statements at the same time. Its more productive to broadly be anti-ai than it is to really stop to promote it in anyways. Also I don't think you guys realize things only become illegal after we make a fuss about it, positive change doesnt come from positive thinking. These tech companies do not underatand consent. Theres literally trillions of dollars going into this nonsense and promoting it, we don't need anymore sympathy. we could of solved world hunger FOREVER 5 times over, or got universal healthcare. But nope instead that money goes straight to elon musk and we are told that grok (who convinced 15+ people to kill themselves) should be our therapist instead. And if you think thats wrong you are a dangerous human being and should be grate full for an amazing wonderful technology.
If anything in a believer in open sourced models that anyone can run. But you know thats less than 1% of people who used any ai. Also thats not what people think of when they think of Ai. The general public thinks cool older tech like machine vision, just never existed before Sam Altmann stepped along. So when you promote ai you are only helping the epstine class, not actual real people working on real projects. Its like getting excited that people now have to do uber eats and get algorithmically manipulated into working for less than minimum wage. If there was some socialist automated revolution it would come from the local Ai guys, not the epstine class who literally have connections to Israel defense contractors and intellegence. Like god damn half of them are staffed by people in unit 8200.
Ai has become this giant marketing term that chatgpt/grok/gem are trying to hijack to only mean chatbot esque LLM's. Its much easier to simply be anti Ai or else I'm going to have to type another 20 paragraphs that most people are not going to read. When you are on a platform like reddit you kind of have to pidgon hole your arguments to suit the audience so a lot of nueance goes out the window and you have to make large generalized statements that trigger some form of emotion to even get people engaged. Lemmes nice, its full of people like me who can't help themselves from over explaining some obscure fact or anything. I feel like I can explain myself to people here and they want to listen.
I'm still used to being on reddit so if what I type sounds more combative in nature than I'm sorry. I like to think I'm conscious about what I type but its much more brain vomiting up thoughts faster than my fingers move.
oppy1984
in reply to FoxAlive • • •You say you are used to tailoring to your audience, let me share something that it took me far to long to understand. Those that can express their thoughts calmly and concisely, will always be more well received.
On the commercial AI and Epstein class, yes many of the top people in the industry are involved with that. But why limit your self when you have the same tool your enemy has? Is it not better to use AI to develop open source alternatives that will bring them down? Would the irony not be the sweetest if they were brought down by their own tool?
Do with these thoughts as you wish, disregard them if they have no meaning for you.
FoxAlive
in reply to oppy1984 • • •I didn't say I'm limiting myself if anything I am for local Ai useage and many form of Ais. I think I mentioned that before. If there was some form of socialist automated revolution it would come from those cool guys.
I think the original point I was trying to make in the last comment is that its not productive to give Ai any free positive PR work in random ass comment threads. No one cares you have to use copilot for work. They literally have all the money, and are stealing more money as we speak by forcing their way into the stock market and forcing everyone retirements to be tied into a product that will never be profitable. Literally what kids did on runescape with the grand exchange in merch clans. Abusing trade limits and low volumes to sell their stock off to people who are going to tank all the costs. They don't need anymore money the gutted half of the united states to the point of federal facilities barely function, and the protected land is being just handed over to these companies to build ai data centers and some how the local communities have to pay for the Ai
... Show more...I didn't say I'm limiting myself if anything I am for local Ai useage and many form of Ais. I think I mentioned that before. If there was some form of socialist automated revolution it would come from those cool guys.
I think the original point I was trying to make in the last comment is that its not productive to give Ai any free positive PR work in random ass comment threads. No one cares you have to use copilot for work. They literally have all the money, and are stealing more money as we speak by forcing their way into the stock market and forcing everyone retirements to be tied into a product that will never be profitable. Literally what kids did on runescape with the grand exchange in merch clans. Abusing trade limits and low volumes to sell their stock off to people who are going to tank all the costs. They don't need anymore money the gutted half of the united states to the point of federal facilities barely function, and the protected land is being just handed over to these companies to build ai data centers and some how the local communities have to pay for the Ai companies power bill and water usage. We've bent over backwards and spread our butt cheeks you don't need to flatter them as they are doing it.
Also I know this idea of being calm and collected makes you seem like the intelligent one in some debate bro kind of enviorment, in spaces like reddit more often you get ignored and no one wants to read an essay. There should be a slightly edgier side to being a leftist, that appeals to more the disenfranchised youth. It worked with gamer gate and all those kids are adults now running the same emotional factless arguments they where taught 15 years ago by the edgy alt right pipe line. Pretty sure that's at least half of maga now. I have to type in hyperboles and grand statements, just became habit. Again sorry if it rubs off the wrong way.
oppy1984
in reply to FoxAlive • • •I promote the use of AI since I've seen massive benefits since I started using it, also I feel like everyone should learn to use it since I believe it's here to stay. That being said, I do hope open source models, and the hardware to run them become more accessible and we move to self hosting our LLMs and only offloading certain tasks to a providers API when appropriate.
I think we're on the same side politically, we just have vastly different approaches. You do what you feel is best, as will I.
Just food for thought, I took two days to reply because I saw a wall of text and found it overwhelming. I suspect that is the reaction of most people. If you feel you absolutely can't leave anything out, consider at least putting a few points in a bullet point list, if nothing else it breaks up the text and makes it seem a bit less overwhelming.
Dr. Moose
in reply to babysmokesalot • • •At the end of the day this is direct policy of Meta and they should be directly responsible for all harms ads create.
I genuinely don't understand how anyone could argue otherwise - if one has a billboard above their house and put some CSAM on there they would be in prison. But not Meta? Who's going to prison for this?