Mozilla announces more AI in Firefox, still failing to understand that at this point their market share is made of tech savvy people who do not want that.
Mozilla, please. Stop chasing the fads. Get your own values.
People use Firefox to get access to an open web, use a sturdy browser, and not to be tracked. Build in that direction and that direction only.
Nobody from your current user base will recommend Firefox with AI to their friends.
blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai…
Introducing AI, the Firefox way: A look at what we're working on and how you can help shape it
AI Window is a user-controlled space we’re building in Firefox that lets you chat with an AI assistant and get help while you browse.Kristina Bravo (The Mozilla Blog)
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Thib
in reply to Thib • • •Mozilla sprouted Rust and Servo. They can do cool things that make the world a better place, even if it takes more work to extract a marketing argument for an investor brochure.
It's frustrating to see Mozilla dig its own hole of irrelevancy.
FoolishOwl
in reply to Thib • • •I've seen Mozilla's channels swamped with complaints about "AI" every time they've pushed in that direction. They can't possibly be doing this unaware of the opposition to it.
They must be doing this deliberately to force "AI" adoption.
yoasif
in reply to Thib • • •El Duvelle
in reply to yoasif • • •#Vivaldi is great. They actually do seem to care about privacy. The Chromium code is open source and is not doing any tracking. Go Vivaldi!
yoasif
in reply to El Duvelle • • •El Duvelle
in reply to yoasif • • •@yoasif
I used to think so too, but apparently 95% or more of the Vivaldi code is open-source. The rest is just the user interface which they justify not open-sourcing with some reasonable arguments. I discussed some of this in an earlier thread, e.g.
neuromatch.social/@elduvelle/1…
I'd be interested to know if you are convinced after reading their points!
El Duvelle (@elduvelle@neuromatch.social)
El Duvelle (neurospace.live)yoasif
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle The user interface *is* Vivaldi, they get the engine from Chromium (which is the open source part).
If you want an open source browser, Vivaldi ain't it.
El Duvelle
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@yoasif
See also this other part of the thread, with a Vivaldi developer who came in to answer some of our concerns, which I thought was nice. It's not like we get Mozilla developers on here reassuring us that they're trying their best to remove the AI..
(Although, to be fair they did try to help me when Mozilla defaulted my search to Perplexity - their "AI" - but that was the last straw for me)
neuromatch.social/@elduvelle/1…
El Duvelle (@elduvelle@neuromatch.social)
El Duvelle (neurospace.live)yoasif
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle I don't really get your point. Vivaldi is closed source -- we don't see any reassurances that it is closed source from Vivaldi developers -- indeed, they obfuscate and claim that they are actually open source somehow.
(We have always been at war with eastasia)
Yes, Mozilla is moving towards AI, but they still produce one of two production ready alternatives to Chromium - and is actually open source.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
El Duvelle
in reply to yoasif • • •They don't seem to obfuscate anything, instead like I said they say in one of the links in the thread I linked (did you read it?) that, yes, there is some closed-source code in their code and they explain why.
Edit: this is the link: vivaldi.com/blog/technology/wh…
Personally I'd rather use a program that is closed source but does what I want than one that's open source but forces things on me that I don't want. But of course everyone is allowed to have different priorities :)
Why isn’t Vivaldi browser open-source? | Vivaldi Browser
Julien Picalausa (Vivaldi Technologies)yoasif
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle I'm not here to support Mozilla's forays into AI -- I specifically commented that it makes it harder to publicly support Firefox.
I agree that Vivaldi hasn't really obfuscated their open source status - that is mostly their userbase (including yourself) who like to claim it is mostly open source.
I think it is clear that the product released by Vivaldi isn't open source, even if some components are. The same can be said of Edge, or Opera, or Yandex or Perplexity.
jakob 🇦🇹 ✅
in reply to Thib • • •@Thib today i closed the only window from firefox with 6 tabs.
And Ram-usage was reduced an smount of 2GB...
Fucking 2 GB for 6 tabs in one window.
Please mozilla fix this, and not build billionaire-crapware into the browser.