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This Group Pays Bounties to Repair Broken Devices—Even If the Fix Breaks the Law


https://www.wired.com/story/fulu-repair-bounties-nest-molekule/

in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

This is badass. I love hearing about this. And what a smart model, let people with the devices contribute to the bounty and things that have a lot of demand and will help a lot of people have bigger bounties.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

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in reply to toothbrush

It is illegal in the USA, you go into prison. That is the reason they can not publish it openly. Watch some of Rossmanns videos for details.
in reply to Eheran

Okay then share it outside the united states? This is constantly circumvented
in reply to optissima

Yes, go ahead. The parties in question in the article all live under the yoke of the DMCA, with vigorously litigious corporations patrolling the streets.
in reply to optissima

So people should just leave their home to publish some minute detail about some device? Sounds reasonable.
in reply to toothbrush

Sharing the fix is what lands you in prison, in part because of dmca. The company arguments include circumvention under dmca, protecting copyright holders, that its "illegal hacking" (its not, its reverse engineering) and that no one wants to do it. This is tangible evidence that there are devices which were sold working, were remotely bricked, and could and would be working today if customers had ownership of the products that they paid for, and it can be done without proprietary information of the companies

youtu.be/_gZrvHCO83I

in reply to jjagaimo

I think the company perspective "breaking a security chip to allow installation of other airfilters being in violation of copyright" is flimsy at best. No intellectual property is being protected with it, thats why I think putting the fix online and fighting the potential lawsuit is a better strategy. But I see why they wouldnt do that.
in reply to toothbrush

I doubt any of their lawyers believe a single thing they say, but if it gets the courts and lawmakers to side with them, then they'll say it. Most individuals don't have the capital to fight it, so building up a ton of evidence beforehand to use if they have to defend against one of those lawsuits is probably a good strategy, even if it means holding off on publicly disclosing the solutions and fixes for now
in reply to toothbrush

"People could fix this but cannot because this law prevents it" is a simple message for law-makers to understand and this program proves the claim. What does being in jail do? Keep in mind that asking others to break the law is legally questionable but it is an unfair risk to put on others if we want them to aim to win the bounty.
in reply to tabular

Being in jail because you fixed an air filter is a much stronger message people could rail against.

I see that its not feasible for the nonprofit to invite breaking the law, but the law seems ill defined in this case, and perhaps a lawsuit that goes to the top could change things. I think lawmakers dont actually care about fixable devices, and proving they can be fixed doesnt change this. Saving someone from prison by way of closing a loophole(DRM to prevent repairs, replacement parts) is something much more actionable for polititians I think.

If I had the kind of money that they seem to have I would try this instead, is all I was trying to say.

in reply to toothbrush

and then getting sued for fixing is a much stronger political signal


It's a crime. They can go to jail.

but instead award money to secret solutions that help nobody.


It helps them deliver a message to legislators that says "we've proven we can fix these problems today, if you'll just let us".

in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

Robert De Niro to the rescue