Remember when they were calling for regime change in China because of mass surveillance? This is the USA today
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unknownuserunknownlocation
in reply to iByteABit • • •iByteABit
in reply to unknownuserunknownlocation • • •I was specifically calling out the hypocrisy of the USA's excuses to do imperialism. With that said though, it is now clear as day that while China has the ability to do what the USA is doing technologically, they are using that surveillance more sparingly and for better reasons than the USA. It's not in China that masked thugs are scanning you with their phones hoping to lock you up in some undocumented place and then either keep you there or send you to a random country away from your family.
I'm not a fan of mass surveillance in any case, but it's just so hilariously ironic that the same people who fearmongered 24/7 in their media about China being this panopticon dystopia, are the same ones now exceeding this in every way imaginable, far surpassing the imagination of fiction like 1984 or Black Mirror.
thomasshikari
in reply to iByteABit • • •N.E.P.T.R
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Lenin's Dumbbell
in reply to N.E.P.T.R • • •Bloomcole
in reply to N.E.P.T.R • • •Good riddance
Aria
in reply to N.E.P.T.R • • •lath
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in reply to lath • • •BigJohnnyHines
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Lenin's Dumbbell
in reply to BigJohnnyHines • • •And yet China is a much safer country than the US.
The longer you refuse to accept reality, the worse your situation will keep getting
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]
in reply to unknownuserunknownlocation • • •Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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in reply to unknownuserunknownlocation • • •stumu415
in reply to unknownuserunknownlocation • • •I lived and worked in both the US and China. My life was infinitely better in China. You don't even notice the cameras but what you do notice is that I can go to my café, leave my electric scooter unlocked with helmet on, get a table outside, put my laptop on it and then go inside to order coffee without any fear anything will get stolen. In the parks there are public coat racks and people put their jackets, backpacks and other stuff on without any hesitation. You feel safe at night walking down the street by yourself. This feeling I rarely have anywhere else.
Delivery packages are left outside and gathered sometimes outside of the compound on the public walkway without being stolen.
Now whenever I travel to Europe, I have to totally reverse this behavior otherwise all my shit will be gone. That to me is awful.
LuminousLuddite
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davel
in reply to LuminousLuddite • • •You don’t realize that you just explained why crime is low in China. It’s low because socialism works.
stumu415
in reply to LuminousLuddite • • •At least China is not beholden to its tech companies and lobby groups, who buy and own the current US regime. There is more competition and choice here than I ever had in the US. With the exception of ranch sauce that is.
Lasty the big difference between China and most Asian countries vs western civilization, is the sense of community. In the US most people are selfish and for themselves - maybe because of the lack of the basic services you mentioned - and if your job doesn't benefit them, no interest. Especially covid this difference in community became very clear.
MnemonicBump
in reply to iByteABit • • •ParlimentOfDoom
in reply to iByteABit • • •Rights violations in Iran was one of their many post-excuses for invading, while doing the literal same things domestically.
Hypocrisy is a requirement in the Republican party. They are not ashamed of it.
LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •Quick, chat, what did the democrats have to say about the u.s. military or Iran during the last election? Oh, Kamala Harris was literally even more bellicose?? yup those dang Republicans alright
slag
in reply to LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name] • • •This world you keep imagining where Kamala would have invaded more countries than we have in this past year alone is quite the sight.
Tell me more. How many times will congress fail resolutions to narrow her war powers? Will the DoD get renamed to the Department of War Crimes? Will she fill her cabinet with actual circus clowns instead of the hand picked pool of media sycophants who aren’t experts in their fields? Will she build her ball room on top of her triumph arch? (idk, maybe it has death lasers and satanic pentagrams, that would be cool)
The “but Kamala” card requires entertaining the idea that literally any president other than the one that got voted in would have been able to outpace the malignant narcissism of senile Emperor Nero over here. It’s not an argument in good faith. It’s an argument for the guy who babbled incoherently about how tariffs work and then did exactly what he said he would.
Edit: Tee hee. If there is one thing ML and MAGA still agree on, it’s that the US is on the best trajectory for everyone. Alb
... Show more...This world you keep imagining where Kamala would have invaded more countries than we have in this past year alone is quite the sight.
Tell me more. How many times will congress fail resolutions to narrow her war powers? Will the DoD get renamed to the Department of War Crimes? Will she fill her cabinet with actual circus clowns instead of the hand picked pool of media sycophants who aren’t experts in their fields? Will she build her ball room on top of her triumph arch? (idk, maybe it has death lasers and satanic pentagrams, that would be cool)
The “but Kamala” card requires entertaining the idea that literally any president other than the one that got voted in would have been able to outpace the malignant narcissism of senile Emperor Nero over here. It’s not an argument in good faith. It’s an argument for the guy who babbled incoherently about how tariffs work and then did exactly what he said he would.
Edit: Tee hee. If there is one thing ML and MAGA still agree on, it’s that the US is on the best trajectory for everyone. Albeit for very different reasons.
haxboar [none/use name]
in reply to slag • • •Where did they say that?
Probably zero, considering that they didn't even consider doing it to Obama or Biden. Ya know, the guys who bombed bunches of kids.
She would have picked liars, simps, and sycophants, just like Biden, Obama, and Clinton did.
... Show more...No, it just requires looking at her predecessors, and what she said she would do.
Where did they say that?
Probably zero, considering that they didn't even consider doing it to Obama or Biden. Ya know, the guys who bombed bunches of kids.
She would have picked liars, simps, and sycophants, just like Biden, Obama, and Clinton did.
No, it just requires looking at her predecessors, and what she said she would do.
Wait, so your post full of made-up arguments are in good faith?
queermunist she/her
in reply to slag • • •Harris had the same foreign policy goals as Trump, the difference between them is that she would have pursued those goals with more competence i.e. she wouldn't have bombed Iran, she'd have kept up the economic war to cause the country to collapse. She might have bombed Iran by 2028, but the economic war was working. Iran was in really bad shape before the war.
With this in mind, in terms of foreign policy, Trump is the lesser evil. Thanks to Trump, Iran has a path to victory.
Dessalines
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •queermunist she/her
in reply to Dessalines • • •AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
in reply to slag • • •LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]
in reply to slag • • •Lenin's Dumbbell
in reply to slag • • •Ngl as an ML, I sure hope I get to see the end of the US as a political entity. Trump winning was inevitable, because American capitalism is in freefall from a materialist perspective, and trying to grab as much as it can before it crashes.
I don't care how polite an American president is, they're all war criminals that bomb West Asia and South America with 0 impunity.
Death to the US
Voytrekk
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •eldavi
in reply to Voytrekk • • •Dessalines
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •SocialistVibes01
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •There. I fixed it for you.
ParlimentOfDoom
in reply to SocialistVibes01 • • •Broadening the blame away from the worst offender only serves to help the worst offenders get away with it.
Stop it.
SocialistVibes01
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •No one is doing that, liberal. Reds and Blues are the same face of the same fucking coin.
dubyakay
in reply to SocialistVibes01 • • •SocialistVibes01
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in reply to dubyakay • • •zealouscurmedgeon
in reply to SocialistVibes01 • • •I will grant you that both parties serve monied interests and share a lot of the same agenda. However, one party has been working for generations to roll back rights for women, POC, LGBTQIA+ to the 1950s.
SocialistVibes01
in reply to zealouscurmedgeon • • •The other transforms these societal demands in woke-liberalism, erasing the class struggle component of feminism, anti-lgbtphobia, anti-rascism. Rendering these fights too individualized and inconsequential.
The Democrats don't read Frantz Fanon and just skim through Angela Davis.
zealouscurmedgeon
in reply to SocialistVibes01 • • •Which is still not the same level of existential threat as forcing women to die of easily treatable obstetric issues or giving paramilitary thugs a budget bloated enough to be a top 13 military by funding carte blanche to execute or disappear protestors/POC/people with accents. Just because neither party is leftist (or ideal) does not mean they are the same.
queermunist she/her
in reply to zealouscurmedgeon • • •I would like to point out that Democrats consistently vote to increase the military budget, even when Trump is president. The most recent defense authorization act received 115 yes votes from Democrats to 94 no votes. On domestic issues you can make the argument that Democrats are a lesser evil, but when it comes to the empire the evil is bipartisan.
The main difference between Republicans and Democrats on foreign policy is that Democrats are better at it.
That's not good. Iran was in really bad shape before the war started, another few years of the maximum pressure sanctions campaign and they'd eventually be dealing with enough civil unrest that justifying a "humanitarian intervention" would be possible. Instead of the US and Israel attacking on their own, NATO would have helped topple the government like they did in Libya.
Instead we got Republicans, who fumbled this so hard that Iran is winning and on the cusp of being a regional hegemon. The US empire is spiraling towards collapse at this rate and I am 100% here for it.
House votes overwhelmingly to pass compromise NDAA
John M. Donnelly (Roll Call)SocialistVibes01
in reply to zealouscurmedgeon • • •Do you think that either Kamala or AOC would refrain from bombing 200 little girls?
Tyrq
in reply to SocialistVibes01 • • •Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •When the constitutional lawyer Barack Obama ran for president, he said that the was against warrentless mass surveillance.
When Snowden revealed the wide use of the PRSIM and Five Eyes agreements to enable mass surveillance of multiple countries without court order, Obama then had Snowden's passport revoked while he was looking for political asylum, and said:
Obama didn't reel in the NSA when it was made public, as a constitutional lawyer because it was trying to stop terrorists. Like how Bush did. Like how Trump did. Like how Biden did. Like how Trump is now.
They don't care about you. They want you to think they do. But if they did, they'd end the panopticon state. Obama didn't even close GitMo.
krolden
in reply to ParlimentOfDoom • • •ramenshaman
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in reply to muusemuuse • • •muusemuuse
in reply to PierceTheBubble • • •You can chip away at power structures and resist them. You still lose but leave them weakened and more vulnerable to the next to challenge them. Eventually they fall.
If you comply instead, you strengthen the power structures that do harm anyway.
The only rational move is to resist.
Batmorous
in reply to PierceTheBubble • • •We need to empower each, inform each other, work together, be in all kinds of problem-solving communities in person and online focused on getting things done day in and day out, and be well protected ourselves and for others. To get people onto good OS'es, apps, software, hardware, social media platforms, independent media, etc
There are many things we can do and a decent amount of us already are but the more the better! Everyone keep doing and getting more people active! It makes it easier, and better for us all!! Build united local power up to internationally with real allies!
We got this! Have hope and help others develop their own hope. It makes people more resilient, and proactive based on studies. Hope and action united!
We the people have the power to make this life wonderful and free!!
Free_Appalachia
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in reply to Free_Appalachia • • •Upload it to something else and link it here.
Be the change you want to see.
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