What always freaks me out is people considering their government worse than the likes of Meta, Palantir, Google, Microsoft... At least you can vote (hopefully) for a different government. The problem is when the companies are able to buy governments, like USA is.
You can vote for the party that supports Meta/Palantir/Google/Microsoft or you can vote for the other party that supports Meta/Palantir/Google/Microsoft
Maybe you should look at who has been expanding the surveillance state for the past 25 years, because it's essentially a bipartisan issue in Congress and all administration. Edit to expand on my point, but the Democrats continued sycophancy to giant corporations and refusal to enact policies to benefit actual people is why America has accelerated towards fascism for the past 30 years.
Agreed. But the point they're making (wittingly or unwittingly) isn't "they're both directly and indirectly responsible for the rise of the surveillance state."
The fundamental point is: "Both parties are the same because of this one issue." And that position is reductive to the point of being indistinguishable from the positions of centrists and conservatives, both of which often prefer easy-to-digest, broad-stroke politics over wrestling with the nuances.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth and talking down to me.
No, the point I'm making is that both parties serve the same masters. Look at who Meta/Palantir/Google/Microsoft donate to, do you think they're wasting their money when they give millions and millions to both parties?
No, the point I'm making is that both parties serve the same masters.
To what end? What's the logical conclusion people should draw from this?
...do you think they're wasting their money when they give millions and millions to both parties?
I mean, yes, but to which party do they give more? You're essentially saying "follow the money." Here's where the money went in 2024. You'll note that the top eight biggest donors gave to Republicans.
They might serve the same masters, but the masters have favorites and not by accident.
To what end? What’s the logical conclusion people should draw from this?
Instead of only engaging in politics every few years when its time to vote, people should be politically active all year and engaged in struggle in the workplace and on the streets. Minneapolis shows the way - they didn't vote to get rid of Kristi Noem, they forced her out by taking to the streets and by launching a general strike. Voting might be part of a larger strategy, but only part of one.
I mean, yes, but to which party do they give more?
Tech companies and people who work in tech tend to give more to Democrats. Palatir is an exception to this general rule, but Meta/Alphabet/Microsoft were mostly behind Harris in the 2024 election. Does this surprise you for some reason?
My wife watched a video about ICE surveillance last night and she couldn't believe they are building databases or protestors or holding airport photos of immigrants for 75 years. Normies do not understand just how bad it is, they think pointing out all this stuff is crazy conspiracy theory.
100% of the data is out there for every single action we do now. Everything we say (smartphones, 'smart' devices), Where we are driving, when we are driving, when we are out and about, who we are with, who we exchange messages with, how much money we make, what we spend it on, everything we comment on the internet, all of our browser history, every message we exchange on nearly all platforms... everything is for sale. 1984 is technically feasible, today. We're so close it's terrifying.
I started talking to a friend about this and he called me a tin foil hat wearing conspiracist and said even if it's true him and his company is making money off of it so he doesn't care.
that one is new to me (i have had The Shit to sort through and missed a couple things) but i absolutely do not doubt it.
i used to help a support group and one of my favorite dudes was an absolute conspiracy geek. he loved them a little too much. i mean i love a bigfoot story as much as the next dude, and the one after them and then the next too as the trio curls up with bigfoot in a nice warm consensual snuggle pit with coffee and silly hats what were we talking about? right it's kind of weird having the guy who lost it over Jade Helm seem... right? about most things. i mean we were all a little off our nut (and i still am) but he needed the most help and validation. wish he were still here so i could get his thoughts.
Some of it is, I'm sure. But the reason I posted it was because it had a lot of detailed information which I hadn't seen before. It was literally my first post on Lemmy today, other than comments. I hope I didn't make a faux pas.
Sorry, you were right to post it, I am just saying this is an ongoing thing we have those of us who followed the news have known about for quite some time. Just this last summer or so there was An article In This Very intercept detailing how the feds were streamlining the buying of data broker info and distributing it to agencies, previously agencies bought it individually and many bought the same tranches of information separately.
The whole thing is fucked. It's a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment we all know it but the goddamned federal courts are fucking traitors and deserve, something something.
Well, the good news for me personally is that since a year, I've been getting off of the American tech stack, hosting in Europe, with .eu domains, using aliases for emails on my own email server, locking down my stuff, and erasing what there is from iCloud, Google, etc... Completely. I wrote a long basic how-to a month ago to help others, and have been meaning to update it more. I've also been migrating my startup company's setup to do the same. It's all done now and I couldn't be happier with the results. I've also been encouraging others online and friends and family to do the same. I even have a few of them using my Nextcloud server nearly full time now.
It is one of the big lies of capitalist countries like the U.S.
"Don't worry [CITIZEN ID] you have rights! The constitution says you do"
But then everyone is coerced to working for companies that are closer to miniature dictatorship kingdoms, with some of them being more powerful than "legitimate" governments.
The way it’s worded on that page, Businesses must comply with requests within 45 days. But if the government accesses the data as a sub processor, must they comply?
YOUR data is everwhere. For those of us that never expected the government to protect us, we have been taking measures for years regarding how much and what data gets shared.
Can we crowdfund buying data on congress, the Epstein class and their chdren, and the Trump crime syndicate so that it can be made freely publicly available?
The warrant is dead. Privacy is now a luxury, not a right. We’ve officially entered the 2026 digital monitoring grid where 'data' is the new currency for control. This isn't just news; it's the 'Exodus' of our personal sovereignty in real-time
unknowing8343
in reply to TyrionBean • • •queermunist she/her
in reply to unknowing8343 • • •ISOmorph
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •Telorand
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •FauxLiving
in reply to Telorand • • •People confuse cynicism with wisdom.
It's easy to be cynical, it takes effort to be wise.
NauticalNoodle
in reply to FauxLiving • • •WalleyeWarrior
in reply to Telorand • • •Telorand
in reply to WalleyeWarrior • • •Agreed. But the point they're making (wittingly or unwittingly) isn't "they're both directly and indirectly responsible for the rise of the surveillance state."
The fundamental point is: "Both parties are the same because of this one issue." And that position is reductive to the point of being indistinguishable from the positions of centrists and conservatives, both of which often prefer easy-to-digest, broad-stroke politics over wrestling with the nuances.
queermunist she/her
in reply to Telorand • • •Thanks for putting words in my mouth and talking down to me.
No, the point I'm making is that both parties serve the same masters. Look at who Meta/Palantir/Google/Microsoft donate to, do you think they're wasting their money when they give millions and millions to both parties?
Telorand
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •To what end? What's the logical conclusion people should draw from this?
I mean, yes, but to which party do they give more? You're essentially saying "follow the money." Here's where the money went in 2024. You'll note that the top eight biggest donors gave to Republicans.
They might serve the same masters, but the masters have favorites and not by accident.
Elon Musk tops list of 2024 political donors, but five others gave more than $100 million - OpenSecrets News
David Meyers (OpenSecrets News)queermunist she/her
in reply to Telorand • • •Instead of only engaging in politics every few years when its time to vote, people should be politically active all year and engaged in struggle in the workplace and on the streets. Minneapolis shows the way - they didn't vote to get rid of Kristi Noem, they forced her out by taking to the streets and by launching a general strike. Voting might be part of a larger strategy, but only part of one.
Tech companies and people who work in tech tend to give more to Democrats. Palatir is an exception to this general rule, but Meta/Alphabet/Microsoft were mostly behind Harris in the 2024 election. Does this surprise you for some reason?
Ensign_Crab
in reply to Telorand • • •No one said they were, but you're disappointed that they aren't.
Goldenring
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •catdog
in reply to unknowing8343 • • •Prove_your_argument
in reply to catdog • • •You're not kidding, that's for sure.
My wife watched a video about ICE surveillance last night and she couldn't believe they are building databases or protestors or holding airport photos of immigrants for 75 years. Normies do not understand just how bad it is, they think pointing out all this stuff is crazy conspiracy theory.
100% of the data is out there for every single action we do now. Everything we say (smartphones, 'smart' devices), Where we are driving, when we are driving, when we are out and about, who we are with, who we exchange messages with, how much money we make, what we spend it on, everything we comment on the internet, all of our browser history, every message we exchange on nearly all platforms... everything is for sale. 1984 is technically feasible, today. We're so close it's terrifying.
JoeMontayna
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •MinnesotaGoddam
in reply to Prove_your_argument • • •that one is new to me (i have had The Shit to sort through and missed a couple things) but i absolutely do not doubt it.
i used to help a support group and one of my favorite dudes was an absolute conspiracy geek. he loved them a little too much. i mean i love a bigfoot story as much as the next dude, and the one after them and then the next too as the trio curls up with bigfoot in a nice warm consensual snuggle pit with coffee and silly hats what were we talking about? right it's kind of weird having the guy who lost it over Jade Helm seem... right? about most things. i mean we were all a little off our nut (and i still am) but he needed the most help and validation. wish he were still here so i could get his thoughts.
Formfiller
in reply to unknowing8343 • • •FauxLiving
in reply to Formfiller • • •Go away with your doomer memes.
You know what else won't work, performative cynicism without any actual contribution.
SomeAmateur
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in reply to SomeAmateur • • •NauticalNoodle
in reply to Formfiller • • •teyrnon
in reply to TyrionBean • • •TyrionBean
in reply to teyrnon • • •teyrnon
in reply to TyrionBean • • •Sorry, you were right to post it, I am just saying this is an ongoing thing we have those of us who followed the news have known about for quite some time. Just this last summer or so there was An article In This Very intercept detailing how the feds were streamlining the buying of data broker info and distributing it to agencies, previously agencies bought it individually and many bought the same tranches of information separately.
The whole thing is fucked. It's a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment we all know it but the goddamned federal courts are fucking traitors and deserve, something something.
eldavi
in reply to teyrnon • • •frostysauce
in reply to teyrnon • • •teyrnon
in reply to frostysauce • • •TyrionBean
in reply to teyrnon • • •Well, the good news for me personally is that since a year, I've been getting off of the American tech stack, hosting in Europe, with .eu domains, using aliases for emails on my own email server, locking down my stuff, and erasing what there is from iCloud, Google, etc... Completely. I wrote a long basic how-to a month ago to help others, and have been meaning to update it more. I've also been migrating my startup company's setup to do the same. It's all done now and I couldn't be happier with the results. I've also been encouraging others online and friends and family to do the same. I even have a few of them using my Nextcloud server nearly full time now.
So I am trying to help. 😃
bubblegum
in reply to TyrionBean • • •TyrionBean
in reply to bubblegum • • •MinnesotaGoddam
in reply to TyrionBean • • •SomeAmateur
in reply to TyrionBean • • •Citizens: You can't spy on me without a legal reason!
Govt: I know, but they can.
(big tech giants appear with decades of data)
Olgratin_Magmatoe
in reply to SomeAmateur • • •It is one of the big lies of capitalist countries like the U.S.
"Don't worry [CITIZEN ID] you have rights! The constitution says you do"
But then everyone is coerced to working for companies that are closer to miniature dictatorship kingdoms, with some of them being more powerful than "legitimate" governments.
BigDiction
in reply to TyrionBean • • •Looking at CCPA deletion requests privacy.ca.gov/tips/submit-a-p…
The way it’s worded on that page, Businesses must comply with requests within 45 days. But if the government accesses the data as a sub processor, must they comply?
My guess would unfortunately be no.
Submit a privacy request - privacy.ca.gov
privacy.ca.govNauticalNoodle
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in reply to TyrionBean • • •Don't put Sim cards in your phones, folks.
Block ads. Only use apps in froid and official Foss repos
cheers_queers
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