No AI* Here - A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter - Waterfox Blog
No AI* Here - A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter
Mozilla's pivot to AI first browsing raises fundamental questions about what a browser should be. Waterfox won't include them. The browser's job is to serve you, not think for you.Alex Kontos (Waterfox)

freeman
in reply to Nutomic • • •jest
in reply to freeman • • •floss.social/@zenbrowser/11573…
Zen
2025-12-16 20:25:40
freeman
in reply to jest • • •(And thank @zenbrowser@floss.social !)
jherazob
in reply to freeman • • •Yes, an explicit No to AI, also LibreWolf said the same, no AI, that means that every fork will have AI disabled
Zen
2025-12-16 20:25:40
CerebralHawks
in reply to Nutomic • • •They have an interesting take. They're not against AI per se, they're against AI they can't audit. It was an interesting read.
The problem with forks such as Waterfox is that they don't get fixes as quick as the mainline browser. But, this is also somewhat of a myth. When Mozilla fixes something in Firefox, they don't push the update out to everyone right away. Some people don't get it for days. Someone who uses a privacy-centric fork like Waterfox is going to be more apt to stay on top of the updates, so even if it takes a day or two for Waterfox to integrate the fix, Waterfox users are likely updating before a lot of Firefox users. And even then, the chances of the average user being affected by whatever is being fixed is typically low, so it's better to have for browsing, but it's not like something that is constantly threatening you — in most cases.
That said, I use Firefox, and I was able to disable the AI stuff. Saw it, said nope, saw the option to disable, did so, and have been happy ever since. I don't always agree with Mozilla, but, I have been curious a
... Show more...They have an interesting take. They're not against AI per se, they're against AI they can't audit. It was an interesting read.
The problem with forks such as Waterfox is that they don't get fixes as quick as the mainline browser. But, this is also somewhat of a myth. When Mozilla fixes something in Firefox, they don't push the update out to everyone right away. Some people don't get it for days. Someone who uses a privacy-centric fork like Waterfox is going to be more apt to stay on top of the updates, so even if it takes a day or two for Waterfox to integrate the fix, Waterfox users are likely updating before a lot of Firefox users. And even then, the chances of the average user being affected by whatever is being fixed is typically low, so it's better to have for browsing, but it's not like something that is constantly threatening you — in most cases.
That said, I use Firefox, and I was able to disable the AI stuff. Saw it, said nope, saw the option to disable, did so, and have been happy ever since. I don't always agree with Mozilla, but, I have been curious about forks and I have used Waterfox in the past. It's fine. It might be better, especially for "default settings" Firefox users, but for someone with a relatively low threat level and an intermediate to high skill in hardening browsers (my own assessment, subject to bias), I'm not particularly bothered by using regular Firefox. And if you're subscribed to a Privacy community (or subreddit), you probably shouldn't be, either, but then again, only you can judge your own threat level. There are certainly situations where something like Waterfox would be preferred.
MagnificentSteiner
in reply to CerebralHawks • • •The new CEO isn't talking about the AI that's already in Firefox. He's talking about more AI with greater integration.
"Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions."
khornechips
in reply to MagnificentSteiner • • •degen
in reply to khornechips • • •... Why did I read it as panty (panni?) maker?
I blame panini for being an uncommon word
CerebralHawks
in reply to MagnificentSteiner • • •Ah, so speculation. I speculate that AI will decide we're not useful and go all Skynet/Matrix on us. I sure hope I'm wrong. But if I try to sell you a doomsday bunker, you have every right to laugh in my face.
Who knows what Firefox will look like tomorrow? I do agree it's important to keep options open, knowing about Waterfox, LibreWolf, IceCat, and maybe some others.
James R Kirk
in reply to Nutomic • • •PiraHxCx
in reply to James R Kirk • • •HubertManne
in reply to James R Kirk • • •James R Kirk
in reply to HubertManne • • •Firefox Translation | Firefox Help
support.mozilla.orgHubertManne
in reply to James R Kirk • • •chicken
in reply to HubertManne • • •HubertManne
in reply to chicken • • •atomicbocks
in reply to James R Kirk • • •James R Kirk
in reply to atomicbocks • • •atomicbocks
in reply to James R Kirk • • •Libb
in reply to Nutomic • • •Disclaimer: very satisfied user of Waterfox talking ;)
I believe that too, but I'm no millionaire CEO either.
Long live Waterfox.
This may sound silly to say, and it probably is, but to me it's almost impossible to imagine
... Show more...Disclaimer: very satisfied user of Waterfox talking ;)
I believe that too, but I'm no millionaire CEO either.
Long live Waterfox.
This may sound silly to say, and it probably is, but to me it's almost impossible to imagine I could one day stop being a Firefox user. I mean, my first Web browser was Mosaic, I followed it when it turned into Netscape, which I then followed as it became Netscape, before morphing into the giant Mozilla T-Rex, and finally becoming Firefox.
Take back the Web, I believe(d) in that. Heck, I still have one of their T-Rex t-shirt dedicated by a few of its devs.
I also have a chromium-based browser (Vivaldi) but Firefox has always been home to me (edit: so seeing it moving away from what I care for is not a great feeling). I'm so glad forks like Waterfox exist because if it was not for them, for the first time ever I would not know what browser I can trust.
RalphFurley
in reply to Libb • • •PushButton
in reply to RalphFurley • • •I am still using lynx, everyday. Not for everything, but for most if my news and blog reading.
It feels great to not being bombarded by the flashy, distracting JavaScript gizmo du-jour. I want to read the content, I don't care about the AI generated picture at the of the page, or the random picture of something half related to the article.
I believe everybody should build their website to be accessible with lynx.
Accessibility isn't just following the standards and removing the mess from the modern web, it's also making your site accessible for the people with eyesight problems for example...
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in reply to Nutomic • • •rain_lover
in reply to Ⓜ3️⃣3️⃣ 🌌 • • •punchmesan
in reply to rain_lover • • •rain_lover
in reply to punchmesan • • •JonEFive
in reply to rain_lover • • •Blizzard
in reply to Nutomic • • •Check out Vivaldi's Roadmap for 2026 😀
Vivaldi Browser
2025-12-16 10:22:24
Eager Eagle
in reply to Blizzard • • •oni ᓚᘏᗢ
in reply to Eager Eagle • • •nothx [he/him]
in reply to Blizzard • • •Blizzard
in reply to nothx [he/him] • • •It's very good! Honestly, try it. I use it on Android, Linux and Windows. Very customizable and pro-user, nice community.
It's based on Chromium but they declared they'll keep supporting Manifest v2 extensions (uBlock Origin etc.) how long it will be virtually possible even though Chrome blocked them.
nothx [he/him]
in reply to Blizzard • • •Zerush
in reply to nothx [he/him] • • •GitHub - ric2b/Vivaldi-browser: Source code for the Vivali browser, taken from
GitHubnothx [he/him]
in reply to Zerush • • •chloroken
in reply to nothx [he/him] • • •exu
in reply to Nutomic • • •Auli
in reply to exu • • •atrielienz
in reply to Nutomic • • •blackbrook
in reply to Nutomic • • •nothx [he/him]
in reply to blackbrook • • •Awoo [she/her]
in reply to blackbrook • • •JonEFive
in reply to Awoo [she/her] • • •Every company wants AI even though they have no idea how it helps their business or their company.
My grocery store app does not need AI when they can't even get search right.
barnaclebutt
in reply to Nutomic • • •Lettuce eat lettuce
in reply to Nutomic • • •bridgeenjoyer
in reply to Nutomic • • •Auli
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •bridgeenjoyer
in reply to Auli • • •sakuraba
in reply to Auli • • •bridgeenjoyer
in reply to Nutomic • • •utopiah
in reply to bridgeenjoyer • • •F-droid support
Utopiah (GitHub)jokeyrhyme
in reply to Nutomic • • •i've been pretty disallusioned with Mozilla leadership
i've jumped back to Chrome for the time being
i'll be moving to servo/verso as soon as it meets my needs
JonEFive
in reply to jokeyrhyme • • •like this
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RalphFurley
in reply to Nutomic • • •DarkSpectrum
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