Thoughts on privacy focused smart glasses?
To be clear this is not a real product or whatever I would just be interested in people's thoughts.
Do you think you would like privacy focused smart goggles? Eg: no camera/hardware camera lock, all on device intelligence, signal support, idk what else you guys can leave ideas in the comments.

StumblingWasabi
in reply to guymontag • • •bright
in reply to StumblingWasabi • • •North
in reply to bright • • •That sounds very dystopian to me. Have we humans reached such a low that we need to be reminded of the person's name we are talking to even though we've met them before or business relationships, or what we talked with them?
The glasses I wear everyday which do not contain any kind of electronics already does its job perfectly. Smart Glasses are an unnecessary extra, created merely due to the rise of trend of 'en-smartify every product and implement it with unnecessary electronics and spyware.'
FineCoatMummy
in reply to North • • •It is dystopian, for sure. That's why I don't want them to catch on. But I also can see valid uses in the spirit of what bright@piefed.social said.
Think about ppl with face blindness. Or those who are getting older with senility, and need a reminder of t heir relationship to the person they are talking to. Or technicians to reference up schematics or w/e while having both hands free for work. Maybe even surgeons, to get superhuman / synthetic senses.
Those feel like good uses. But... I can't imagine ANY way to have the good, without the much bigger privacy clusterfuck. So I don't want them to catch on as consumer devices. And I want social pressure against glassholes to continue. The good of the tech is real. But the dystopia will be too much, for too little gain.
North
in reply to FineCoatMummy • • •I agree, it has uses but they're pretty niche. When I talked about how it's unnecessary for people, I meant normal people who don't have such niche needs or objective.
It is a brilliant tool only if it's used correctly.
SatyrSack
in reply to StumblingWasabi • • •Literally Black Mirror
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CrocodilloBombardino
in reply to guymontag • • •southsamurai
in reply to guymontag • • •BingBong
in reply to guymontag • • •pierre_delecto [he/him]
in reply to guymontag • • •It would be at best, privacy for the viewer/owner but not for the viewed. Why would you buy always seeing glasses to protect the privacy of those you see?
There is no such thing as a privacy respecting camera you are pointing at others.
NightFantom
in reply to guymontag • • •I'd love a useful heads up display with things like navigation, search (as in, "where the fuck did I leave my keys, they should be in my field of view", not "what's the capital of italy"), and something like a dashcam, where you can retroactively playback the last X minutes if something happened, but otherwise it gets deleted automatically.
And nothing gets off the device without my consent of course.
actionjbone
in reply to guymontag • • •yellerbadger
in reply to guymontag • • •ScoffingLizard
in reply to yellerbadger • • •utopiah
in reply to ScoffingLizard • • •LeapSecond
in reply to guymontag • • •Chais
in reply to guymontag • • •Libb
in reply to guymontag • • •I would like no smart glasses at all.
'Privacy focused focused smart glasses' sounds as credible as 'your friendly stalker neighbor'.
Vegafjord oakframer
in reply to guymontag • • •divingdonkey
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in reply to divingdonkey • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Vegafjord oakframer • • •Vegafjord oakframer
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •FineCoatMummy
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •I'd say, b/c it's impossible to know that by looking at the glasses.
You see a rando walking around with smart glasses. You can't tell at a glance what it can / cannot do. So you must assume the worst.
I'm with Vegafjord oakframer. Normalization will be problematic. Maybe in a perfect world it coudl be OK. But in our world, abuse at scale is 100% inevitable. That's why I think social pressure against smart glasses is for the best.
robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
in reply to guymontag • • •utopiah
in reply to guymontag • • •There are some already, e.g. docs.brilliant.xyz/ with firmware you can replace or mentraglass.com/ and I even made one by sticking a RPi with its tiny camera on 3D printed frames twitter-archive.benetou.fr/uto…
I'm not saying it's a good idea or that it's private enough, just that it's not a theoretical questions, alternatives to Meta or Google Glass do exist already and some of them are not cloud dependent.
IMHO what's important is to be explicit about usage, understand how it's used and have informed consent. If you use them to be sneaky and hurt others, even if they are "privacy focused", fuck off.
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in reply to guymontag • • •francois
in reply to guymontag • • •defrostedLasagna4921
in reply to guymontag • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to defrostedLasagna4921 • • •Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to guymontag • • •We got some camera glasses as swag and gave þem to by BIL. He used þem to take candid photos of our 4 y/o niece, who was hyper camera-conscious and knew when þe phones were being used for pictures, and would invariably pose. Þe glasses were þe only way he could get pictures wiþout interrupting whatever was going on. I believe þere's use for þem even outside of industry. Þere are stages of dementia where having AR would be helpful to þe sufferer.
I'd like access to privacy-conscious AR.
musket528
in reply to guymontag • • •toomuchrdio
in reply to guymontag • • •pound_heap
in reply to guymontag • • •Smart glasses with HUD and speakers, and bluetooth, no cloud dependency - yes, please.
With camera - absolutely not. This would be just a hidden recording device, absolutely capable of intruding other's privacy, regardless if it's cloud connected or not.
I realize that camera provides a lot of functionality, but I just don't see the way how it can preserve privacy of other people and fit in glasses form factor.
pound_heap
in reply to pound_heap • • •Actually, there is a way to use a camera, but I'm not sure if it's possible from technical or usability perspectives.
Imagine a device that has a camera, but no data connectivity. No WiFi. Only USB for charging and firmware updates. Maybe BT for firmware or control from app. No memory card slot either. Internal storage reserved for system only, camera software cannot store videos or images persistently.
This will probably have to be not open source, especially if bluetooth is present - otherwise someone will figure out how to capture camera feed with a custom firmware.
But if possible, such device can use camera for smart navigation, object recognition, some basic tasks on-device, depending on how much compute (and battery) can be placed into such a small package.
lightnsfw
in reply to pound_heap • • •pound_heap
in reply to lightnsfw • • •I mean, there are genuinely helpful use cases for such things out there.
lightnsfw
in reply to pound_heap • • •northernlights
in reply to pound_heap • • •Encrypt the traffic and follow proper key management procedures? It wouldn't exactly be the first open source thing that transmits sensitive data over a network. See you talk about privacy and in one comment find a justification to not disclose the source code. Ahem.
pound_heap
in reply to northernlights • • •No, you got me wrong. My position is that I don't want anything that is capable of recording and that looks like an object that normally can't do that. So I tried to imagine how something may have camera to capture what user sees, but not be able to store the recordings - only process it in like real-time, or close to it.
I may not understand the hardware design good enough, but I think if you make an open source device, it should allow custom firmware. If you allow custom firmware, someone will write a version of it that will work around the restriction on recording somehow. To be clear, I'm not concerned about communication protocol interception, but about someone changing how such device handles the data it captures.
pound_heap
in reply to pound_heap • • •Damn, such a good topic to talk about.
pineapple
in reply to guymontag • • •northernlights
in reply to guymontag • • •Phoenixz
in reply to guymontag • • •I guess if only find it remotely fine if the glasses were very obviously equipped with a camera, bulky and what not.
If not, then its just a pedo cam a guy can use at a childrens playground
belated_frog_pants
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