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DJ Putler
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in reply to ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡ • • •To be fair, Discord has e2e encrypted voice calls using their "Dave" protocol.
discord.com/blog/meet-dave-e2e…
Meet DAVE: Discord’s New End-to-End Encryption for Audio & Video
Stephen Birarda (Discord)DJ Putler
in reply to Voxel • • •ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡
in reply to Voxel • • •Voxel
in reply to ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡ • • •Data protection isn't binary, and you should treat companies, products, etc. as they're and not mix subjective with objective.
But you're right, overall is Discord pretty terrible in this regard.
Jolteon
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •smiletolerantly
in reply to DJ Putler • • •Ugh. I've always liked Matrix (and was not bothered too much by the metadata leaks because my home server was not federated anyways), but after noticing some issues and finally reading up on the actual protocol spec a couple of weeks ago... oof. Yeah. No.
Set up XMPP for now. Works really well and the protocol seems so much saner. Unfortunately, it too has some annoyances that are unacceptable to me in the long term. I'm this close to saying "fuck it" and wasting the next couple of years of my life on a new protocol that no one is gonna use. (Cue the XKCD here.)
SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
in reply to smiletolerantly • • •Unfortunately, it is not.
Against XMPP+OMEMO - Dhole Moments
Dhole Momentssmiletolerantly
in reply to SwooshBakery624 [they/them] • • •Ha, thanks, I'd already read that. And I do, mostly, agree; the OMEMO implementation is not great both from the security perspective discussed in the post, as well as the UX (not being able to decrypt old messages on new devices at all).
That being said, I primarily want a selfhosted, federated messenger which also takes privacy and security seriously, and at least for the former, XMPP is really refreshingly good.
DJ Putler
in reply to smiletolerantly • • •ProdigalFrog
in reply to SwooshBakery624 [they/them] • • •I want to point out that the author of that linked blog, Soatok, actually removed a response in the comments from an OMEMO developer which clarified some things, which personally I think was rather odd/bad faith of them to do. When asked about it, this was their response:
According to the OMEMO developer in his response (you can it read here), there's nothing really wrong with OMEMO 0.3.0, as the dev considers it a stable standard that clients can safely implement, with newer versions basically being public beta releases toward a stable 'OMEMO 2' standard that can eventually replace 0.3.0.
Also @smiletolerantly@awful.systems.
SwooshBakery624 [they/them]
in reply to ProdigalFrog • • •I didn't know about this response, thank you for pointing it out. However, this response fails to address the main criticism of the XMPP+ONEMO:
ProdigalFrog
in reply to SwooshBakery624 [they/them] • • •If someone's threat model requires absolute always-on encryption, then XMPP does currently fail that standard, but each individual will have to determine if their threat model does infact require that, and contrast it with the potential benefits XMPP currently has compared to the more secure options.
As an example, all of the always-on E2EE alternatives are really only a good alternative to messengers like whatsapp, there is currently no always-on messenger that could potentially replace the feature set of Discord, where as with the XMPP Movim client, that is currently possible due to the recent implementation of Discord-like spaces (single communities/channels with groups of rooms and drop-in chats).
For a discord community or for friends that want discord-like features, XMPP is leagues better for privacy, even though it only has optional encryption. It also offers true a decentralized federated network, which allows for more control of how your encrypted or unencrypted data is shared.
Unfortunately there's no perfect answer for all messenger needs, so each will
... Show more...If someone's threat model requires absolute always-on encryption, then XMPP does currently fail that standard, but each individual will have to determine if their threat model does infact require that, and contrast it with the potential benefits XMPP currently has compared to the more secure options.
As an example, all of the always-on E2EE alternatives are really only a good alternative to messengers like whatsapp, there is currently no always-on messenger that could potentially replace the feature set of Discord, where as with the XMPP Movim client, that is currently possible due to the recent implementation of Discord-like spaces (single communities/channels with groups of rooms and drop-in chats).
For a discord community or for friends that want discord-like features, XMPP is leagues better for privacy, even though it only has optional encryption. It also offers true a decentralized federated network, which allows for more control of how your encrypted or unencrypted data is shared.
Unfortunately there's no perfect answer for all messenger needs, so each will need to have their pros and cons weighed on a case by case basis.
DJ Putler
in reply to smiletolerantly • • •HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lemmy.ml/comment/24436351
I FUCKING KNEW IT YOU PEOPLE ONLY KNOW THAT ONE BLOG
DJ Putler
2026-03-09 23:15:41
smiletolerantly
in reply to DJ Putler • • •ProdigalFrog
in reply to smiletolerantly • • •This article does a good job exploring the landscape of text chats, and ultimately finds that XMPP is still our best bet, it just needs some spit and polish.
Wiki - DitchingDiscord
wiki.alopex.lismiletolerantly
in reply to ProdigalFrog • • •T (they/she)
in reply to DJ Putler • • •You should also link Ariadne's post saying she rather use signal, but that would be against the tone of your post, right?
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Ariadne Conill 🐰:therian: (@ariadne@treehouse.systems)
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in reply to albsen • • •0x0
in reply to rautapekoni • • •Unsurprisingly.
albsen
in reply to rautapekoni • • •that's a fair comment I don't know what they do either.
having seen a few of these org charts this could be much worse.
there are 4 salaries related to software and technical improvements of the app and platform.
most ppl underestimate what kind of infrastructure is required to make anything work at planet scale, including auxiliary functions. I'd be much more interested in where the funding is coming from.
DJ Putler
in reply to albsen • • •raicon
in reply to DJ Putler • • •What a scam...
Hey guys I help orphans on a non profit, I'm a very good person.
BTW I get paid 1M a year
DJ Putler
in reply to raicon • • •eclipsez0r
in reply to raicon • • •Non profits are not charities.
These salaries are quite low in the tech sector.
lemming
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in reply to lemming • • •boonhet
in reply to toofpic • • •toofpic
in reply to boonhet • • •Just answering the question: "Why doesn't everybody move to nonprofit model?"
boonhet
in reply to toofpic • • •Brainsploosh
in reply to lemming • • •The conventional answer is that there would be much less incentive to fund new ones.
Some things need a large investment to start: power plants, cities, factories, space stations, etc. Sometimes more money than the people involved can afford, and you need to ask someone to front the money, they typically get paid with a share of the profits.
lemming
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in reply to lemming • • •lemming
in reply to DJ Putler • • •It would collapse on itself, unable to carry its own weight, heating up massively. I consider superheated pudding volcanos something of a downside, personally. I cannot reasonably estimate what might happen in the centre of the world, supercritical fluid doesn't seem enough. Perhaps nanodiamond crystallisation from the organic parts of the pudding? Also lots of hydrogen release, I'd guess.
My suggestions involves only change of the legal framework. Besides, there are non-profit companies. I'm not sure about details, but for example Velux (windows manufacturer) and Carl Zeiss (optics) are supposed to be non-profits, and Anthropic could say no to the DoD because it's some sort of not-just-for-profit company.
DJ Putler
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in reply to lemming • • •schnurrito
in reply to DJ Putler • • •How does this compare to salaries for comparable positions at comparable for-profit companies?
It's kinda the point of donations that they can afford to hire people whose labor costs that much.
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PieMePlenty
in reply to Goodlucksil • • •Goodlucksil
in reply to PieMePlenty • • •That's because you live in Europe and stretching a month's paycheck is easier than a week's and the Euro is an strogner currency with better anti-gouging laws.
To sum up, 70k euros a month is a lot.
ExcessShiv
in reply to Goodlucksil • • •Even 10k euro per month is a lot and will be far better than most other people in Europe and allow you to live more than comfortably.
Qwel
in reply to Goodlucksil • • •70k euros a month is insane
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in reply to 🦄🦄🦄 • • •Chulk
in reply to DJ Putler • • •Signal is the only way I've been able to get my friends and family onto an E2E messaging app. Before this, they were all using SMS and WhatsApp. Signal is how we survived ICE in Minneapolis and organized to stop a bunch of jackbooted fascists from kidnapping all of our neighbors and deporting them to unknown countries. I have a lot of respect for the folks at Signal as a result.
I get that you all are on better platforms or whatever, but I don't appreciate the dismissive shit that I'm seeing in these replies. Especially when it's about one of the first privacy-oriented apps that normies get started with. You have some information about Signal that shows it's shitty or a honeypot? Great, then post it. I'd genuinely love to see it (and not in a "post it so I can argue with you like an annoying redditor" kinda way). But this shit about high salaries at a non profit is not convincing to me and none of your replies here are doing your cause any service.
DJ Putler
in reply to Chulk • • •You're probably annoying + not my problem. You clearly aren't very knowledgable about this, so I doubt you would even be able to explain it to them. XMPP and Delta Chat are easier to set up. You're just arguing that laziness is a virtue.
... Show more...Serious "it was revealed to me in a dream" shit that most people would think was excessive if I made it up as a joking example of Signal defenders. Signal is funded by the US government and collects + leaks metadata. The US government uses metadata to target hacking of the device itself. Metadata is more valuable for surveillance than message content, it is used by police + intelligence to fabricate evidence of "terror networks" including teenagers in Chicago texting each other. Minneapolis drove out ICE because they had guns and physically planted themselves between the psychos and the people they wanted to terrorize. If they were stupid enough to use Signal (or encouraged by people like you) or brin
You're probably annoying + not my problem. You clearly aren't very knowledgable about this, so I doubt you would even be able to explain it to them. XMPP and Delta Chat are easier to set up. You're just arguing that laziness is a virtue.
Serious "it was revealed to me in a dream" shit that most people would think was excessive if I made it up as a joking example of Signal defenders. Signal is funded by the US government and collects + leaks metadata. The US government uses metadata to target hacking of the device itself. Metadata is more valuable for surveillance than message content, it is used by police + intelligence to fabricate evidence of "terror networks" including teenagers in Chicago texting each other. Minneapolis drove out ICE because they had guns and physically planted themselves between the psychos and the people they wanted to terrorize. If they were stupid enough to use Signal (or encouraged by people like you) or bring their phones downtown, they will be mopped up before they can do anything useful. Fortunately for the feds, Americans barely even bother to walk around with signs.
The ability of these companies to operate centralized services in countries that serve gag orders should make things obvious, but fortunately you people have been trained by social media to require epistemological proof of wrongdoing.
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •“President of Signal getting paid less than a principal engineer” must be the take here.
The same argument applies to Wikipedia: it’s a blessing these people accept working for <1M. They could easily get a job for triple the salary elsewhere but choose to forfeit it for principles.
just_an_average_joe
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in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •glitching
in reply to DJ Putler • • •not my circus, not my monkeys
but them positions... as mr. cici famously quipped, that's alot of buffers
you really need a VP of eng and then a director of eng and further liaisons until you reach an actual engineer for a shop that has one product?
again, what do I care, spend it in good health
A🔻atar of 🔻engeance
in reply to glitching • • •This is basically a parody of the problems with NGO corporate compensation, yes, but I feel like everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room & wishing goodwill to people making e2ee messaging that is only safe for the US government to use. Ask yourself, would the German prime minister even trust this shit?
It's not like Delta Chat main development team is even exempt from this, not sure if OP is aware of this but they want the EU to save them. Fat chance guys! Open source developers need a workers government or total independence, or they will discover they are political tools that can be dispensed with when no longer necessary. Just look at the recent pressure on Linux to eject Russian developers.
onlinepersona
in reply to DJ Putler • • •Just hire from the EU. It's cheaper and they are as competent. A lot more money will be left to hire more staff. I've already moved my signal donation to matrix.
The US is a money sink.
phase
in reply to DJ Putler • • •DJ Putler
in reply to phase • • •phase
in reply to DJ Putler • • •DJ Putler
in reply to phase • • •Hey man, this thread is well past the point where responding to unhinged comments is justifiable. Not on principle (I would respond to infinity comments online if I could, because I could help so many others. 🫀), but because this level of dogpiling indicates I can easily summon all of you whenever I desire, simply by dropping a truth deuce here. Nevertheless I will make one last, compassionate exception: You need to seek help. Regardless of whether people think responding with disgust to utterly debased reply guys is a sign I am mentally ill, what you're doing here is grieving malicious advertising claims that were made to you about "activist software". It remains unclear to me how a messenger being used by Jeff Bezos and US government officials is a mark of reliability and antifascism. There should be no exceptions to our standards and critical thinking. If they seem necessary, it is because the standards and critical thinking are flawed and inadequate.
Regards, Mister Modal at Lemmy.ml
phase
in reply to DJ Putler • • •And now we patronize.
It is clear if you just take time to ask. You give of what you know and think as if those were facts.
They are like any company, not big, just any company nowadays. Their limit is the limit of trusted computing (can you make a CPU execute somthing without it knowing what it does). All the rest can be encrypted, at rest and in transit.
Can they resist to threat like your government? First... you call it government but it is all the country. Laws were there before since decadeS now.
Can they resist against the state? They can resist, not vanquish, because it is the State. Can they be shut down? Yes. Do they have the choice? No, or their service wouldn't exist. Creating a datacenter which is virtualy al,ays on is hard, this is why the full globe gave up except few companies for which is it their main business.
Instead of announcing facts which are just opinions, ask questions. Instead of despiting what you can have, see how to improve it of replace it. But don't diminish what is offered (ffs it's even free).
And don't patroniz
... Show more...And now we patronize.
It is clear if you just take time to ask. You give of what you know and think as if those were facts.
They are like any company, not big, just any company nowadays. Their limit is the limit of trusted computing (can you make a CPU execute somthing without it knowing what it does). All the rest can be encrypted, at rest and in transit.
Can they resist to threat like your government? First... you call it government but it is all the country. Laws were there before since decadeS now.
Can they resist against the state? They can resist, not vanquish, because it is the State. Can they be shut down? Yes. Do they have the choice? No, or their service wouldn't exist. Creating a datacenter which is virtualy al,ays on is hard, this is why the full globe gave up except few companies for which is it their main business.
Instead of announcing facts which are just opinions, ask questions. Instead of despiting what you can have, see how to improve it of replace it. But don't diminish what is offered (ffs it's even free).
And don't patronize. If you don't want to discuss then go post this on Facebook. Your context is the U.S. , it isn't the world, and this place is called the Web. I'm not perfect, I'm not above you, but at least I know that I am not alone, that my culture isn't the inly one here, and I can appreciate when somebody wants to help.
So let's tolerate each other without spitting on what other people may like because "it has your gov money". All isn't bad. Look at the NASA, the Internet, ... We could live together if we want to. The question is do you and how do you start.
DJ Putler
in reply to phase • • •Stop right there and explain to me how Signal leaks communications through Google Firebase and Apple Websocket. You have no right to demand not to be patronized to. You wouldn't call someone telling you to pull up your fly patronizing, would you?
The concept of trusting a service hosted on AWS in the first place...
phase
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in reply to Ghostie • • •adb is currently main developer for a fork of Delta Chat, a messenger that actually gives you privacy.
you got your messenger recommendation from congresspeople. think about that for a second and how it makes you look to technically competent people like us
Ghostie
in reply to DJ Putler • • •DJ Putler
in reply to Ghostie • • •Nice argument dude, unfortunately I don't share your tendency to form parasocial relationships with US government-funded "privacy software" and prefer recommending open source projects utilizing extensible internet standards for longevity + reliability, so I'm unlikely to be convinced by your playground "what is he your boyfriend" antics. You're clearly suffering from some serious cognitive dissonance, so take a step back. I don't know you, I shared this with the community publicly in the hopes people can defend themselves better against surveillance. What motivates you, seriously? Why turn to personal attack? How did you end up at this point in your life?
My advice is learn how to take advice from people who know better than you. It can change your life, and it's important for operating in communities that value authority from expertise rather than business jargon and ideological slapfighting.
poVoq
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •I don’t know the intricacies of signal as a company or if they support any bad actors or whatnot, but I do hate to see flack for non-profit leaders and employees getting paid competitive salaries. Like if people are actually worth that much in the economy, why not try to stack the team so they’re incentivized to do well? Especially in the shit pot that is America.
I would be curious to see the spread of overhead between salaries and fundraising, outreach, etc to actually get their product out there. Because if those are balanced in favor toward actually running the business, marketing it well, and fundraising, I’d say these people more than deserve these salaries.
SqueakySpider
in reply to RykardNixon • • •FoundFootFootage78
in reply to RykardNixon • • •A CEO should be paid enough to live comfortably if you work at a non-profit, but if you need to be paid market rate then you're probably not passionate about the position. When your job is fulfilling a public good rather than delivering shareholder value, that and a decently generous salary should be reward enough.
That said, I think Signal is better than Mozilla on this front, because they don't have a long history of terrible decisions each of which coming with increased executive compensation.
EDIT: Also the CEO of Mozilla made 6-7 million per year (haven't checked the new CEO though). Way more than Meredith Whittaker's $750,000. So honestly Signal is an order of magnitude better on this front.
A🔻atar of 🔻engeance
in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •DJ Putler
in reply to RykardNixon • • •Mr. Satan
in reply to DJ Putler • • •You have proof on that?
Arthur Besse
in reply to Mr. Satan • • •Mr. Satan
in reply to Arthur Besse • • •And what does it have to with this?
I mean yes, it's not ideal that they require a phone number. But how does that translate to metadata scrapping and especially from activists?
DJ Putler
in reply to DJ Putler • • •davel
in reply to DJ Putler • • •The USAGM supervises Voice of America (VOA) and Office of Cuba Broadcasting as well as state-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Radio Free Asia, Middle East Broadcasting Networks and Open Technology Fund.
It’s a branch of the US military-intelligence-propaganda-industrial complex. Or was—I’m not sure if Trump’s executive order to eliminate it stuck.
Continuing the Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy
Allison Schuster (The White House)DJ Putler
in reply to davel • • •Chulk
in reply to DJ Putler • • •I'm really trying hard to see the point that's being made. Is it just the "high" salaries, or is there some other implication? The OP seems to be insinuating that Signal is a honeypot or something. I am going to need a lot more proof than, "hey, these guys work at a non-profit and they aren't underpaid!" Given that most tech jobs offer stock options in addition to normal salary, it would make sense that base salary should be higher at a non-profit (where stock options don't exist). Their salary structure also seems much flatter than other non-profits that I saw within the propublica link.
What am I missing here?
DJ Putler
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •Oh?
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •You mean Proton
Skankhunt420
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •shaggyb
in reply to DJ Putler • • •If we're going to continue doing capitalism, we need to celebrate when people who are responsible for quality products are paid comfortably but not so much that their pay disrupts other peoples' status.
700k very much qualifies in today's world.
Stop being crabs in a bucket.
YiddishMcSquidish
in reply to shaggyb • • •Seriously so much this!!!
These people have a great product and they should be paid enough to keep them from seeking other sources of income. That's how we got Facebook. Plus having the numbers publicly available is a big plus.
A🔻atar of 🔻engeance
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in reply to A🔻atar of 🔻engeance • • •utopiah
in reply to YiddishMcSquidish • • •FWIW not on income but on top wealth, Musk has $792 Billion (ffs...) so ~$1000B and we are 8.4B Earthlings so ~10B. If we were to spread equality his wealth (which I'm all for) it would "only" gives each of us ~$100. Conclude from that what you will but to me it's just a reminder of just how many people we are. A lot.
PS: this isn't about income and it might be totally different there. If you have a better metric and approximation I'd be all ears.
shaggyb
in reply to A🔻atar of 🔻engeance • • •You missed part of my post.
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •Sherad
in reply to DJ Putler • • •I barely use social media at all besides lemmy and the level of smarmy belligerence you've used throughout this thread makes me wanna download signal out of spite.
Maybe take a day off mang.
Vegafjord eo
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •utopiah
in reply to electric_nan • • •I think that's precisely what this is questioning : is this helping fund critical FOSS?
What if a fraction of that money instead went to Signal infrastructure? Wikimedia? FSF which initially made GNU PG? FSFE? NLNet which supports Delta Chat? Sovereign Tech Fund? etc rather than individuals?
I don't think anybody is criticizing that hard working people contributing to a good project are well paid. I believe the question is rather what's the cost to OTHER projects when there is 1 project, not an umbrella projects which funds others (again like NLNet or the Sovereign Tech Fund).
FWIW the question isn't new. It happens also with Mozilla with the compensation of its C-suite staff, not the "random" software engineer.
electric_nan
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in reply to DJ Putler • • •Skankhunt420
in reply to DJ Putler • • •I love signal and use I daily but I will admit the lack of self hosting is the biggest red flag for me. And that the servers are all in USA.
Unfortunately, I don't have any alternatives that are as readily accessible and easy to set up to others. XMPP I guess is really the best bet for true privacy but a lot of people I talk to would be unable to grasp how to set it up and use it correctly.
titanicx
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in reply to pineapple • • •recklessengagement
in reply to DJ Putler • • •Edit: just looked closer and noticed that this is almost entirely the executive team. Duh. Obviously execs are overpaid as hell but for the size of Signal and the average exec pay this is hardly surprising
Tbh I'd much rather the money go to the employees than to shady stakeholders/investors
I feel like the takeaway here is that this is how much people SHOULD be getting paid and most of the time the rest is getting siphoned off by the capital class
DJ Putler
in reply to recklessengagement • • •We will be doing this again next week. It's lovely. Nobody seems to understand the downside of demonstrating an entire community has zero combined expertise by demanding spoon-fed information instantly. Lacking any sources that could criticize Signal.
Do you think it could be related to sanitizing your websites with "anti-disinformation" strategies lifted directly from the people who spy on you & your family? No, no, that's too far out. Inductive reasoning is impossible. You know this.
recklessengagement
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