AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling
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AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling
Microsoft has gone all-in with its plans to turn the Windows PC into an AI-powered 'agentic OS.' But at least one PC maker says consumers aren't buying the Copilot hype.Ed Bott (ZDNET)
cmnybo
in reply to onlooker • • •valkyre09
in reply to cmnybo • • •I use windows click to do all the time in work.
I’m constantly being sent screenshots of tables with data in it that I can’t copy paste. (Side note, why take a perfectly searchable .csv and send me a screenshot of it???!!)
The tool really is a game changer for my productivity.
I sure as hell wouldn’t enable it on my personal computer though.
Click to Do: do more with what’s on your screen - Microsoft Support
support.microsoft.comdeleted
in reply to valkyre09 • • •OCR exists and performs well with older hardware.
Collecting your raw data isn’t enough for Microsoft so they might use your PC and power to process your data.
pegazz
in reply to valkyre09 • • •NormCap
dynobo.github.iovalkyre09
in reply to pegazz • • •degen
in reply to cmnybo • • •cmnybo
in reply to degen • • •degen
in reply to cmnybo • • •wewbull
in reply to degen • • •It's a big matrix multiplier that is tailored for machine learning model evaluation (not training). Often they are low precision as that's all you need for model evaluation (or "inference").
Think of it as a much less useful GPU because it won't do graphics.
Korhaka
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Goodlucksil
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •msage
in reply to Goodlucksil • • •Always has been.
Remember John Deere?
azimir
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lightnsfw
in reply to azimir • • •datavoid
in reply to lightnsfw • • •Random Dent
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in reply to Random Dent • • •JamieDub86
in reply to onlooker • • •Ive seen the AI on my partners iphone. Wont be going near that shit.
I had to correct myself from typing "iphobe" three times, and im wondering which the mistake was.
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Engywook
in reply to JamieDub86 • • •"Being afraid of Apple"
django
in reply to Engywook • • •razzazzika
in reply to JamieDub86 • • •ButteryMonkey
in reply to razzazzika • • •I’ve got and that corrects to annd now most of the time, except when I’m actively trying to write the type in which case it reverts to the actual spelling. Absolutely garbage autocorrect.
I don’t even have the AI shit. I stopped updating before 18 dropped, even tho my phone is only a couple years old, so I would never have to deal with it.
JamieDub86
in reply to razzazzika • • •Matt
in reply to JamieDub86 • • •This is also AI in some sense. Autosuggestion and auto completions are probability based algorithms, just like AI is.
Also, this is captured on GrapheneOS.
JamieDub86
in reply to Matt • • •NewOldGuard
in reply to Matt • • •zaphod
in reply to onlooker • • •hateisreality
in reply to zaphod • • •Random Dent
in reply to hateisreality • • •belated_frog_pants
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biggerbogboy
in reply to onlooker • • •“AI” is not a use case for a computer. Plain and simple. A real use case would be for instance to edit videos or code or create spreadsheets, and what the everloving shit does adding ✨Agentic and Conversational AI✨fix with literally any use case?
Sure, researching can be a use case for AI stuff, as well as just talking with it, but there’s no reason to sell an entire fucking class of laptops labeled “AI PCs” when the only thing it has is windows 11 copilot (lobotomised ChatGPT) and an NPU advertised as a “future compatibility” feature…
hoshikarakitaridia
in reply to biggerbogboy • • •I use AI quite a bit for when I have to deal with something again that doesn't have a simple documentation or stack overflow / reddit thread, and I know all too well I will never need agentic anything.
The one most useful AI for coding is supermaven, which is literally just auto complete plus but it doesn't just do things, it works like any other tab completion.
Pretty sure no software dev at windows has ever really given these things a proper workout and still found them essential. Windows is really out here advertising Linux.
skuzz
in reply to onlooker • • •belated_frog_pants
in reply to skuzz • • •AnUnusualRelic
in reply to skuzz • • •BanMe
in reply to AnUnusualRelic • • •emeralddawn45
in reply to BanMe • • •sylver_dragon
in reply to skuzz • • •So, basically the computers from Star Trek: TNG. I'd go for that, but unfortunately, what we'll get instead is enshitified AI slop which exists to suck a subscription fee out of you every month while pushing ads.
Kache
in reply to sylver_dragon • • •Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to onlooker • • •I just bought a laptop; my CPU options were an AMD AI 300, and a non-AI 7040. I chose þe non-AI version and saved $200.
I really hope AMD gets it's head out of þe AI trough and keeps designing normal CPUs. Non-AI was an option today, but I worry about next year.
utjebe
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •pound_heap
in reply to onlooker • • •dustyData
in reply to pound_heap • • •Runs diagnosis tools on AI laptop.
No AI feature actually runs locally.
NPU stays idle 100% of the time.
Your entire digital life is uploaded to Microslop and used to train LLMs…
again.
Ephera
in reply to pound_heap • • •Hmm, they might've scrambled to add Recall et al, because those other features you named don't particularly need to be offloaded. Except for maybe TTS, you're not gonna run these in the background all the time. And if you need the occasional translation, it's fine, if it takes a bit longer.
At least, I would've absolutely seen headlines à la "Microslop wants you to buy an expensive new PC – to do things your current PC can perfectly fine".
pound_heap
in reply to Ephera • • •You aren't wrong that these functions don't NEED NPU. But it helps with performance and offloading.
What they also doing is opening APIs for software developers to use NPU and built-in models. For example, Adobe and Zoom use it for background filters. Again, with no CPU/GPU load.
And for your final point - this is not anything new for a company to try selling you a product that you don't necessarily need. Their job is to make it attractive enough for you to upgrade.
TwinTitans
in reply to onlooker • • •Random Dent
in reply to TwinTitans • • •Archer
in reply to Random Dent • • •wewbull
in reply to Archer • • •If they lose all the money they have pumped into AI, then they will be relying on Windows and Office.
Good for them that both of those are currently doing fine.
sfgifz
in reply to wewbull • • •I feel like you were being sarcastic, but they're actually fine in enterprises, which is what they actually care for.
wewbull
in reply to sfgifz • • •pineapple
in reply to Archer • • •That made me wonder what os china uses. Turns out they use a chinese made linux distro called kylin for most consumer desktops and 90% of govenment desktops
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_(o…
Fucking based.
Unfortunately its propriotary ): (pretty sure that violates the gpl but I guess china doent care.) (Although there is an open source version called neokylin!)
Chinese computer operating system
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in reply to Butterphinger • • •jokeyrhyme
in reply to onlooker • • •I couldn't understand Microsoft's motivation here at all, until this reminder (from the linked article):
it makes so much sense to me now
emphasis on "desperately" for sure