The problem is also that if companies like Apple (which a lot of people trust) start normalising this behaviour it will only encourage people to start scanning their passports/driving licences on every bloody site!
I stopped trusting Apple when Tim Cook stuck his whole head into Trumps behind and swallowed everything he encountered in the passageway. Switched to Linux and Graphene OS and ditched all my Apple Hardware after 20+ years.
similar for me. Bought my first Mac in 2008. Died in 2011. Bought a cheap Windows laptop and lasted a few months befpre i wanted to smash it. Decided to try Ubuntu 12.04 and been on Linux since. GrapheneOS since 2024!
I want to do this but I don’t think I can convince my wife to switch back to Android. Any other Apple stuff I own is the last I buy though. From now on, it’s Linux and possibly a Framework laptop in the future, but I’m open minded.
Well, I’m no fan of this and will loudly object if it occurs in my jurisdiction. We all know this isn’t about safety, but tracking. But it also seems perhaps inevitable everywhere…
If it is inevitable, I can kinda stomach the OS (and only the OS) inferring I’m an adult, provided it can pass along that verification to sites.
It’s not entirely clear I think it’ll limit somethings you can do that should be for “adults” only. Basically from what I can gather it’ll age restrict some stuff that it thinks kids shouldn’t use / change themself.
But first thing it says is that it needs to be done to comply with UK law and you can only click “continue” or “maybe later” no option to actually deny it
Someone posted on Reddit today (I know, I know) that they couldn't go to any adult content (I assume he meant porn) sites at all, it was returning an error. As soon as he verified (he used a credit card) he could operate as normal.
Ok so looks like move of device for me. Apple iphone is my last bastion of big tech and I held off as I didn’t want to swap hardware. I’m not super clued on my options but I have been looking at sailfish or graphine.
I won’t be buying a brand new device I’ll purchase a used one second hand. I’m not fussy with which hardware. I am happy to use the browser, i need an average camera, and i like a map /music in the car
I do like Linux but don’t want an ongoing subscription for sailfish. What option or combination is good?
Used pixel + GrapheneOS. Takes some getting used to, but most stuff works as expected. The default apps aren't pretty, but ithe Fossify alternatives are a little nicer.
You're leaving a whole ecosystem meant to work seamlessly without having to understand how it works, so be prepared for that...
I used to be mac in the 90s onwards so problem solving aint too bad. Moved to linux last year. I am done with ecosystem that are designed to be used against me.
Pixel + GrapheneOS is what I was eyeing up, i was just unsure how cosy graphene is with google, I don't want to have to use google store.
I will have already been changing habits, its getting relegated to a true phone...hopefully with some stronger security VPN controls. If the services around me want to make it hard I will go back to the dark ages. I no longer use social media and everything else can be done on a browser/laptop where I have a higher level of control of my privacy.
Though you can enable / install a sandboxed Google play services and mirrored app store, and starve them of permissions except for what/when you absolutely require.
GrapheneOS lets you add "profiles" -- essentially separate user accounts, and switch between them. Many folks put any Google stuff on a separate profile and otherwise stay on the surveillance free side.
You'll want to install Obtainium and probably f-froid, to find all the open source apps you're after.
ChildlessBambino
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in reply to comrade_twisty • • •orca
in reply to comrade_twisty • • •blitzen
in reply to ChildlessBambino • • •Well, I’m no fan of this and will loudly object if it occurs in my jurisdiction. We all know this isn’t about safety, but tracking. But it also seems perhaps inevitable everywhere…
If it is inevitable, I can kinda stomach the OS (and only the OS) inferring I’m an adult, provided it can pass along that verification to sites.
hellequin67
in reply to St3alth • • •What's the consequence of not doing it.
I only use apple as provided by work, personal life Android and Linux
St3alth
in reply to hellequin67 • • •It’s not entirely clear I think it’ll limit somethings you can do that should be for “adults” only. Basically from what I can gather it’ll age restrict some stuff that it thinks kids shouldn’t use / change themself.
But first thing it says is that it needs to be done to comply with UK law and you can only click “continue” or “maybe later” no option to actually deny it
hellequin67
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in reply to hellequin67 • • •hellequin67
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in reply to hellequin67 • • •Cherry
in reply to St3alth • • •Ok so looks like move of device for me. Apple iphone is my last bastion of big tech and I held off as I didn’t want to swap hardware. I’m not super clued on my options but I have been looking at sailfish or graphine.
I won’t be buying a brand new device I’ll purchase a used one second hand. I’m not fussy with which hardware. I am happy to use the browser, i need an average camera, and i like a map /music in the car
I do like Linux but don’t want an ongoing subscription for sailfish. What option or combination is good?
BonkTheAnnoyed
in reply to Cherry • • •Used pixel + GrapheneOS. Takes some getting used to, but most stuff works as expected. The default apps aren't pretty, but ithe Fossify alternatives are a little nicer.
You're leaving a whole ecosystem meant to work seamlessly without having to understand how it works, so be prepared for that...
Cherry
in reply to BonkTheAnnoyed • • •I used to be mac in the 90s onwards so problem solving aint too bad. Moved to linux last year. I am done with ecosystem that are designed to be used against me.
Pixel + GrapheneOS is what I was eyeing up, i was just unsure how cosy graphene is with google, I don't want to have to use google store.
I will have already been changing habits, its getting relegated to a true phone...hopefully with some stronger security VPN controls. If the services around me want to make it hard I will go back to the dark ages. I no longer use social media and everything else can be done on a browser/laptop where I have a higher level of control of my privacy.
BonkTheAnnoyed
in reply to Cherry • • •No Google required!
Though you can enable / install a sandboxed Google play services and mirrored app store, and starve them of permissions except for what/when you absolutely require.
GrapheneOS lets you add "profiles" -- essentially separate user accounts, and switch between them. Many folks put any Google stuff on a separate profile and otherwise stay on the surveillance free side.
You'll want to install Obtainium and probably f-froid, to find all the open source apps you're after.
northernlights
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in reply to St3alth • • •Edit: nvm I looked it up. Enter a credit card or scan an ID.