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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

The new approach, based on nano-structure optics, replaces curved surfaces with a flat substrate etched with millions of microscopic pillars — each just one-thousandth the width of a human hair. These pillars slow light passing through them by varying amounts depending on their height and spacing, precisely controlling the direction of light waves. The result: even 1,500-degree prescriptions can be made just 2mm thick, with material utilization rates exceeding 95%.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Wonder who really will benefit from this new manufacturing process, the businesses and the middlemen or the consumers..
in reply to mabeledo

I have actually, but I don't see how that's relevant to being informed on China.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Because “socialist” is not a word I would use to describe modern China, if I knew how deep inequality runs there nowadays.
in reply to mabeledo

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Right. I asked you if you’ve been to China recently and you said “no”. Kind of ironic that you’re now telling me to read all these links in order to know how China works.
in reply to mabeledo

reading comprehension is really not your forte is it?

I have actually, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to being informed on China.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

You’re right, didn’t have my glasses on and I read otherwise.

Then I would say that I can’t believe that someone who has been to China recently and has seen the rampant inequality there, almost on par with that in the US, could call it “socialist” by any metric.

in reply to mabeledo

Thanks for further clarifying you don't understand what socialism actually is.
in reply to mabeledo

Communists can correctly identify China as socialist because we understand that public ownership is the principal aspect of its economy, and that it has a dictatorship of the proletariat. Inequality exists because China is socialist, not even at an advanced stage of socialism or communism yet.
in reply to Cowbee [he/they]

Being socialist isn’t required to understand what socialism is.
in reply to mabeledo

No, but it certainly helps. Those who want socialism tend to be the most informed on what it is and how it works.
in reply to Cowbee [he/they]

I kind of disagree. Because years ago, when I was part of a union in Europe, many of those who called themselves socialists didn’t quite understand what it meant.
in reply to mabeledo

What do you believe socialism means, and where did this understanding come from, if it leads you to believe a country where public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy and a dictatorship of the proletariat is not socialist?
in reply to Cowbee [he/they]

I never had an issue with the theory of the matter, but how it is implemented in China.

Calling China a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is… almost funny, at least from the perspective of someone who has seen it in person. A single party state where there’s very clearly an oligarchy of party card bearers who own the means of production, live in luxury mansions, are driven around in Rolls Royces, their kids are sent to exclusive schools in Europe… doesn’t scream “socialist” to me.

in reply to mabeledo

in reply to Cowbee [he/they]

I guess I do have the vibes from having been to China, yes.

Not going to lie, didn’t read your whole message, mostly because I’ve seen this before and I know for a fact it’s a copypasta. But I would comment on one key thing.

Private property will never be abolished in China. Ever. No one will ever get Chinese citizens to give up property. I would even go as far as to suggest that doing so would trigger the quickest downfall of CCP party heads ever seen. Suggesting that this is a side product of US imperialism denies so much of Chinese culture and history, it’s not even funny.

Anyway, cheers.

in reply to mabeledo

Visiting China doesn't make you an authority on socialism, to where you can disagree with the collective line of a country of 1.4 billion people without any supporting evidence or argument. Neither does it give you a pass to refuse to engage with a clear argument I wrote, copied or not from my own previous comments. Calling it "copypasta" doesn't take away that the comment was made by me, and the arguments themselves still apply perfectly to the vibes you bring as your point.

As for the PRC not abolishing private property, this is a bit of an absurd argument. Private property isn't merely legally outlawed at a formal level, production advances to the point that it could never hope to compete with public property. Socialism is not a paper decree, but a material system. You're deeply confused about socialism, and seem to be fine to repeat nonsense and dodge actual points. What's the point in engaging, then?

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in reply to mabeledo

Public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. It's socialist.