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Should I go for GrapheneOS, e/os or LIneageOS on a new phone? (see description)


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in reply to iByteABit

GrapheneOS. It gets updates and security patches quickly, it fully removes dependency on Google services (unlike any of the others you mentioned), and it is heavily deblobbed of proprietary blobs. It is rock solid.
Here is a comparison table from a trusted third-party: eylenburg.github.io/android_co…

All of those apps will work, just install Sandboxed Google Play. Install company apps either in a Private Space or a separate user to isolate them. I recommend putting all Gapps (play store apps) in a Private Space.

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in reply to eldavi

The bootloader will be unlocked with Lineage which isn't good if the local police and ice are part of your threat model.
in reply to eldavi

swappa.com/

Never had an issue with getting unlocked Pixel phones from them.

in reply to Lemmyng

the last phone i purchased like this from ebay never showed up and the seller, shipper and my credit card company all refused to take take responsibility nor would they re-imburse me.

the previous phone's speaker didn't work, so i tried to use the manufacturer's warranty to fix it, but they refused since i wasn't the original buyer and the person who sold it to me on amazon refused to refund me because it took the manufacturer weeks to respond. amazon also refused because of the time limit.

the previous phone kept overheating and shutting off randomly and the seller ghosted me and everyone else by shutting down shop so there was no one file a grievance against.

and that's only phones, i've had similar problems with laptops, ear-buds/head-phones, tablets, etc. so i refuse to buy any used personal electronics now.

in reply to iByteABit

☝🏻This. BUT, if you can't wait until ~~Samsung~~ Motorola drops their GOS model, you might get longer life out of it. But GOS support window is pretty broad. Can't remember exactly, but I think it's 5 years. So getting a Pixel wouldn't be horrible.

EDIT: second time I made that mistake today. Must have Samsung on the mind. Love the fact that people down vote the reply even though the error doesn't change the message. Never change, basement dwellers.

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"considering setting up a De-Googled OS as well, but there are a few things that I cannot compromise on:

  • Google Maps"

Sorry but ... is this a joke?

in reply to utopiah

Yeah Google maps is much worse than OSM in my experience.
in reply to Bloefz

Agree, but I get the live traffic part. It's pretty much a must in some areas. I think there was a wrapper/API but google killed it
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in reply to utopiah

I'll simplify for the downvotes : "a De-Googled OS [...] cannot compromise [...] Google Maps"
in reply to iByteABit

As you are asking this in a privacy community I would say Graphen. But as you want to keep gmaps you might also want the comfort you get with e/os when also using their cloud. Personally I would recomend a used pixel 8 with e/os and to try mapy.cz to replace gmaps.
About going back to stock OS if you choose a pixel flashing images is stupid easy :) so no worrys there.
in reply to iByteABit

  1. Regarding Google Maps, you might wanna try "Here WeGo" which is by a company in the Netherlands and more privacy friendly than Google.
  2. If your primary goal is security and privacy, GrapheneOS is your best choice. LineageOS is good, if your device does not support GOS; I have no experience with /e/OS in terms of usage.
  3. On Google Pixels it is possible through official methods to install Stock OS again, same for Fairphone. I don't know about other devices.
  4. Alternative Android Distributions like GOS, LOS and /e/OS won't be affected, except if you install Google Play Services (and related), though GrapheneOS will likely limit it with their sandboxed method if you do so.
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I've gotta recommend GrapheneOS. As you've already researched, your apps will still work, even down to company portal which is working on my Graphene'd pixel I'm typing on now.

And I'm sure someone else has commented the same, but yeah, you can revert to stock if you want.

in reply to iByteABit

GrapheneOS is the best mobile OS. Even though the Graphene team has weird habits of communication which might be off-putting for some, the OS technically still is the most secure AND most private mobile OS distribution you can have on any phone. It's literally at the top, according to many technical and data protection experts. It's so good that Cellebrite can't crack it even with physical access, and some police in some country (I think it was Portugal) will assume you're a criminal for using it, because it's so secure and private and they can't stand the thought of someone fully utilizing their personal rights. Plus, it has great documentation and is easy to install.
Despite it being so secure and private by default, it still allows you to shoot yourself in the foot by installing the sandboxed Google services and so on, if you really want to. So it can also be used like an off-the-shelf Android, just with some additional hardening and extra protections on top which you benefit from, but the benefit will be much smaller of course when you install and use spyware apps.
in reply to kyub

Even though the Graphene team has weird habits of communication which might be off-putting for some,


I like my secure OS developers to be on the paranoid side of sane.

It's probably not a stretch to think that there are a lot of people out to compromise that specific team of developers, that'd make me paranoid too.

in reply to iByteABit

For privacy/security, there really isn't another choice: Pixel + GrapheneOS.
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GrapheneOS devs have a very "I will tell you what to like, and you will like it!" attitude, which results in UI and navigation choices that bug the crap out of me.

But I have to admit that for security and privacy it ranks at the top.

in reply to iByteABit

I wish I could use Graphene, but the pixel's pitifully small and expensive storage to force you into cloud storage really makes an SD card necessary. I have around 200GB on my phone + SD already(including OS), and I don't want only 50 GB for more photos and music in the next 7 years WITH the more expensive option...
in reply to iByteABit

Nice thing about graphene is that you can put Instagram and the like in a different user but for some reason I can't figure out how to get my sim to work while I'm using the other user profiles
in reply to BananaLama

Go to user settings/manage usersthere you can enable SMS and calls
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in reply to iByteABit

GrapheneOS but check banking apps again because for me they were working till last year but then Google started enforcing Play integrity check instead of SafetyNet checks. I was able to do almost everything from website so there's that
in reply to iByteABit

Which phone should I pick up to run Graphene? like which do people like for this best?
in reply to Brutticus

Currently only Google Pixels are supported, but I would also like to know model recommendations. Is it worth getting a 9 and going beyond budget or is a 8 Pro second hand still good for its price?
in reply to iByteABit

Definitely GrapheneOS.

Re-Google Maps: I use Here We Go, it is much better than the open street maps apps, has live traffic data, and reviews. Unfortunately needs to be downloaded from Play Store for use with Android Auto though (not even Aurora works).

I recommend using a separate user profile for work.