My current phone is starting to annoy me after 7 years of usage (Xiaomi Note 8 Pro) and I'm thinking of finally getting a new one.
With that in mind, I'm considering setting up a De-Googled OS as well, but there are a few things that I cannot compromise on:
- Google Maps (I need the live traffic data when in a hurry, otherwise CoMaps is very nice)
- Banking Apps (I've checked them in the GrapheneOS list and they do seem to work)
- Instagram (it sucks I know, but I like not being a hermit)
- Company Portal & Teams (absolute garbage, but I need it for work)
If any one of these aren't guaranteed to work, then it's not an option for me right now.
If they do work, which De-Googled OS should I go for? GrapheneOS does seem like the most private one and maybe the most likely to remain worked on and supported for a long time, but it means that I'm going to have to buy a Pixel, probably a refurbished
... Show more...My current phone is starting to annoy me after 7 years of usage (Xiaomi Note 8 Pro) and I'm thinking of finally getting a new one.
With that in mind, I'm considering setting up a De-Googled OS as well, but there are a few things that I cannot compromise on:
- Google Maps (I need the live traffic data when in a hurry, otherwise CoMaps is very nice)
- Banking Apps (I've checked them in the GrapheneOS list and they do seem to work)
- Instagram (it sucks I know, but I like not being a hermit)
- Company Portal & Teams (absolute garbage, but I need it for work)
If any one of these aren't guaranteed to work, then it's not an option for me right now.
If they do work, which De-Googled OS should I go for? GrapheneOS does seem like the most private one and maybe the most likely to remain worked on and supported for a long time, but it means that I'm going to have to buy a Pixel, probably a refurbished one.
Lastly, if I install another OS and regret it, is it possible to install the stock OS again?
Edit: Also, what happens after Google's "Unverified App" decision has passed, will this affect these alternative OS?
N.E.P.T.R
in reply to iByteABit • • •GrapheneOS. It gets updates and security patches quickly, it fully removes dependency on Google services (unlike any of the others you mentioned), and it is heavily deblobbed of proprietary blobs. It is rock solid.
Here is a comparison table from a trusted third-party: eylenburg.github.io/android_co…
All of those apps will work, just install Sandboxed Google Play. Install company apps either in a Private Space or a separate user to isolate them. I recommend putting all Gapps (play store apps) in a Private Space.
Comparison of Android-based Operating Systems
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eldavi
in reply to iByteABit • • •my list is the same as yours (minus android auto) and i've been wondering the same thing so i have decided to offload the capabilities that i need on my current phone while tethering it to my new lineage or graphene phone.
it seems that graphene is more secure, but i hate google with a fiery passion so i refuse to support them in any way including supporting their second hand market. i've also NEVER had good luck buying second hand personal electronics so it would be foolish for me to do it again. also: my goal is to de-google and my privacy threat is the local police and ice; not the cia, nsa, the rest of homeland security or mossad; so that makes both graphene and lineage work for me.
on the other hand: lineage supports more devices, but i looked the other day at the most recently released phone models and pixels top that list too; so it seems that going w a pixel opens to door to letting you use both graphene and lineage if you decide that you like one more than the other.
i was going to purchase an e/os device from murena up until a few weeks ago until its ce
... Show more...my list is the same as yours (minus android auto) and i've been wondering the same thing so i have decided to offload the capabilities that i need on my current phone while tethering it to my new lineage or graphene phone.
it seems that graphene is more secure, but i hate google with a fiery passion so i refuse to support them in any way including supporting their second hand market. i've also NEVER had good luck buying second hand personal electronics so it would be foolish for me to do it again. also: my goal is to de-google and my privacy threat is the local police and ice; not the cia, nsa, the rest of homeland security or mossad; so that makes both graphene and lineage work for me.
on the other hand: lineage supports more devices, but i looked the other day at the most recently released phone models and pixels top that list too; so it seems that going w a pixel opens to door to letting you use both graphene and lineage if you decide that you like one more than the other.
i was going to purchase an e/os device from murena up until a few weeks ago until its ceo showed his stripes in public and made he clear that he's thinks that only criminals was this sort of security.
Scott 🇨🇦🏴☠️
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Never had an issue with getting unlocked Pixel phones from them.
eldavi
in reply to Lemmyng • • •the last phone i purchased like this from ebay never showed up and the seller, shipper and my credit card company all refused to take take responsibility nor would they re-imburse me.
the previous phone's speaker didn't work, so i tried to use the manufacturer's warranty to fix it, but they refused since i wasn't the original buyer and the person who sold it to me on amazon refused to refund me because it took the manufacturer weeks to respond. amazon also refused because of the time limit.
the previous phone kept overheating and shutting off randomly and the seller ghosted me and everyone else by shutting down shop so there was no one file a grievance against.
and that's only phones, i've had similar problems with laptops, ear-buds/head-phones, tablets, etc. so i refuse to buy any used personal electronics now.
MaddestMax
in reply to iByteABit • • •☝🏻This. BUT, if you can't wait until ~~Samsung~~ Motorola drops their GOS model, you might get longer life out of it. But GOS support window is pretty broad. Can't remember exactly, but I think it's 5 years. So getting a Pixel wouldn't be horrible.
EDIT: second time I made that mistake today. Must have Samsung on the mind. Love the fact that people down vote the reply even though the error doesn't change the message. Never change, basement dwellers.
Scott 🇨🇦🏴☠️
in reply to MaddestMax • • •N0t_5ure
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in reply to iByteABit • • •"considering setting up a De-Googled OS as well, but there are a few things that I cannot compromise on:
Sorry but ... is this a joke?
Bloefz
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in reply to iByteABit • • •About going back to stock OS if you choose a pixel flashing images is stupid easy :) so no worrys there.
Voxel
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in reply to iByteABit • • •Yes the unverified apps thing will affect you no matter what. It’s not getting better any time soon. There are a lot of reasons for that.
You can’t “de-google” if you are 100% married to googles navigation service. It’s gonna become much harder to avoid play services (the google play store and all its telemetry) if you need a banking app and teams even if they seem to work now because the “reasons” above.
Other people have said that “privacy is a spectrum” in response to the following unconventional advice, and that’s true! Your conception of privacy may simply be getting away from the default apps and keeping the play store! Just keep that in mind:
If you’re actually gonna do any of the things we consider phone stuff on your phone, in terms of privacy and security it goes graphene > appropriately configured ios > a big gap > everything else.
Maybe consider switching. There isn’t a big cost difference anymore.
Speaking from experience with both android and ios platfoms in
... Show more...Yes the unverified apps thing will affect you no matter what. It’s not getting better any time soon. There are a lot of reasons for that.
You can’t “de-google” if you are 100% married to googles navigation service. It’s gonna become much harder to avoid play services (the google play store and all its telemetry) if you need a banking app and teams even if they seem to work now because the “reasons” above.
Other people have said that “privacy is a spectrum” in response to the following unconventional advice, and that’s true! Your conception of privacy may simply be getting away from the default apps and keeping the play store! Just keep that in mind:
If you’re actually gonna do any of the things we consider phone stuff on your phone, in terms of privacy and security it goes graphene > appropriately configured ios > a big gap > everything else.
Maybe consider switching. There isn’t a big cost difference anymore.
Speaking from experience with both android and ios platfoms including many custom roms and the alternative repos/app stores, it’s much, much easier to stay as private and secure as possible on ios.
nooch
in reply to doodoo_wizard • • •obsidian
in reply to iByteABit • • •I've gotta recommend GrapheneOS. As you've already researched, your apps will still work, even down to company portal which is working on my Graphene'd pixel I'm typing on now.
And I'm sure someone else has commented the same, but yeah, you can revert to stock if you want.
kyub
in reply to iByteABit • • •Despite it being so secure and private by default, it still allows you to shoot yourself in the foot by installing the sandboxed Google services and so on, if you really want to. So it can also be used like an off-the-shelf Android, just with some additional hardening and extra protections on top which you benefit from, but the benefit will be much smaller of course when you install and use spyware apps.
FauxLiving
in reply to kyub • • •I like my secure OS developers to be on the paranoid side of sane.
It's probably not a stretch to think that there are a lot of people out to compromise that specific team of developers, that'd make me paranoid too.
FauxLiving
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in reply to iByteABit • • •Teams works fine on GrapheneOS.
I recall Google Maps working briefly before I fired it in favor of buying a dedicated hardware map solution.
Depends on your needs, I suppose.
All the options you've listed are an improvement over stock.
I had an old spare pixel to try out GrapheneOS, and it was faster than my newer phone, so I started buying GrapheneOS-ready hardware from then on.
I put LineageOS on some other hardware, and I miss some privacy features, but it's still pretty nice.
Yes. There's instructions to take a back up, at the start of the process.
My plan was to fall back to eOS or LineageOS if I hated GrapheneOS, but it's been lovely.
... Show more...Teams works fine on GrapheneOS.
I recall Google Maps working briefly before I fired it in favor of buying a dedicated hardware map solution.
Depends on your needs, I suppose.
All the options you've listed are an improvement over stock.
I had an old spare pixel to try out GrapheneOS, and it was faster than my newer phone, so I started buying GrapheneOS-ready hardware from then on.
I put LineageOS on some other hardware, and I miss some privacy features, but it's still pretty nice.
Yes. There's instructions to take a back up, at the start of the process.
My plan was to fall back to eOS or LineageOS if I hated GrapheneOS, but it's been lovely.
That's all part of Google's app ecosystem. Install F-Droid or Droidify, and you'll be immune to all that. Aurora may work as well, but usual disclaimer for Aurora - it relies on Google and might break at any time.
GrapheneOS has made public statements GrapheneOS itself is unaffected.
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keepandroidopen.orgAutonomous
in reply to iByteABit • • •GrapheneOS devs have a very "I will tell you what to like, and you will like it!" attitude, which results in UI and navigation choices that bug the crap out of me.
But I have to admit that for security and privacy it ranks at the top.
JustEnoughDucks
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in reply to iByteABit • • •Definitely GrapheneOS.
Re-Google Maps: I use Here We Go, it is much better than the open street maps apps, has live traffic data, and reviews. Unfortunately needs to be downloaded from Play Store for use with Android Auto though (not even Aurora works).
I recommend using a separate user profile for work.
iByteABit
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