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Writers Are Going to Extremes to Prove They Didn’t Use AI

Writers Are Going to Extremes to Prove They Didn’t Use AI

People are adding typos, aggressively casual language and references to ‘The Office’ to stay ahead of armchair detectors; ‘It’s like the new McCarthyism.’
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Eager Eagle
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I was wondering the other day if there is a list of LLM-isms somewhere, like "It's not X, but Y", em-dashes, overly confident statements, etc

edit: github.com/NousResearch/autono…


autonovel/ANTI-SLOP.md at master · NousResearch/autonovel

An autonomous novel writing pipeline, by Hermes Agent - NousResearch/autonovel
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outandinburger
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outandinburger
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I love emdashes——especially that long one. AI destroyed my love.
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Eager Eagle
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I've always enjoyed just using a hyphen surrounded by spaces for readability - but even I am hesitant to do that lately
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CausticFlames
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Unfortunately this merely existing makes it easier for AI writers to circumvent these then. Someone could just pipe that exact repo into their slop generator, and tell it to avoid using those phrases lol.
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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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It also penalizes the actual human writers and is forcing people to write in contorted fashion just so somebody doesn't scream that it looks like AI text. The whole focus here is fundamentally wrong. What people should be asking is whether the text is engaging, whether it's factual, and whether they found it interesting. It doesn't matter if slop is produced by a human or AI, what matters is the quality of the content.
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queermunist she/her
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And yet they don't.

Yeah, they could do that. AI writers are so fucking lazy that they don't even bother.

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Zeno
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sadly the have to do that themself since apparently no publication company have the balls to put a simple label on the cover
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Zachariah
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This would be a great use of PGP
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Zachariah
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Authors could sign their work digitally. PGP wouldn’t prevent them from lying about using AI, but they could build up a reputation for not using AI, and people could verify it was the author’s creation.

So maybe not great, just good.

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spicy pancake
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I kinda simultaneously hate and love that a lot of the features of slop writing were taught to me as "the correct, and only correct, way of writing formal English" and now I have an excuse/challenge to write all my shit like an unhinged grammar anarchist

  • I'm gonna miss bulleted lists ngl
  • No more parallel form? damn gonna miss that too actually
  • A lot of its overused vocab words are ones I used to use for conciseness and to avoid repeating words too close together in the text


LLMs hedge constantly: "can", "may", "might", "could potentially", "it's possible that". Human experts state things. If you know it, say it. If you don't, say you don't.


if your background is even remotely medical or biology research-based, even the world's foremost expert is going to use a lot of hedging language because nobody wants to sound like an idiot for claiming "X gene does Y" then some grad student publishes a paper next year with smoking gun evidence that X gene isn't even expressed in vivo lmao

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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or we could just stop perseverating over style of the writing and start focusing on the quality of the content 🤷
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spicy pancake
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I always agreed with info quality over style restrictions even as a kid. I remember fighting with a teacher that I should be able to have standalone numbers/letters in my outline notes because sometimes there's only 1 point in the category and I don't want to make shit up because some knucklehead decided there have to be 2+ items per category

But now I'm mad that I spent all that effort unlearning "bad writing habits" only for those to be something I needed in the future to differentiate me from clankers 🤦‍♀️ and that the "good writing habits" I personally agree with are now bad

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ericwdhs
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Lol. I use hedging terms constantly, because I'm autistic and precision in language matters to me. 99% certainty is still enough uncertainty to justify a "likely." I'm not planning to change that even if more and more people think my writing is AI.
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VeniVerminiVomui
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I do the same but I've started to add casual language to it to make it seem less AI. E.g. Rather than "likely" I'll say "pretty likely" or "I've heard" or something else that doesn't seem very AI but still conveys slight uncertainty.
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ericwdhs
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I cycle through phrases just because language variety also matters. I'm fighting myself not to edit a recent comment because I used "still" twice in one sentence. Lol.
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MinnesotaGoddam
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Just drop a few casual shitweasels and I think you're good
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小莱卡
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if your background is even remotely medical or biology research-based, even the world’s foremost expert is going to use a lot of hedging language because nobody wants to sound like an idiot for claiming “X gene does Y” then some grad student publishes a paper next year with smoking gun evidence that X gene isn’t even expressed in vivo lmao


one of the things i really really hate about medics is precisely that. just take damn accountability and make a statement

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小莱卡
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i ain't gonna lie, if your stuff can be easily confused as AI slop, it might aswell be AI slop lol
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小莱卡
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i ain't gonna lie, if your stuff can be easily confused as AI slop, it might aswell be AI slop lol
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sem
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If I wanted to handwrite something, I'd have to make a video of me writing it so people could see the pauses and stuff, and be reasonably confident I didn't copy from an AI.

One of the things I found out -- there's enough of my IRC logs ingested by these models, they can already approximate my personal writing style, in a low quality way

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i_am_not_a_robot
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The writers interviewed did use AI but don't want to get caught so they edit imperfections into the AI's output. They're just trying to fool the detectors.
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