Meta just killed native WhatsApp on Windows 11, now it opens WebView, uses 1GB RAM all the time
Meta just killed native WhatsApp on Windows 11, now it opens WebView, uses 1GB RAM all the time
Windows 11 has just got a 'major' upgrade, and you're probably going to hate it because it uses 1-2GB RAM all the time.Mayank Parmar (Windows Latest)
Jesus
in reply to ray • • •Hadriscus
in reply to Jesus • • •Mio
in reply to ray • • •B0rax
in reply to Mio • • •Opisek
in reply to B0rax • • •Just download more RAM.
And in all seriousness, poorly written programs hoarding all the RAM amidst a huge RAM shortage is selfish and vile.
AnarchistArtificer
in reply to Mio • • •Joe Breuer
in reply to ray • • •Tangentism
in reply to Joe Breuer • • •cabbage
in reply to Tangentism • • •Mihies
in reply to ray • • •muhyb
in reply to ray • • •AnomanderRake
in reply to muhyb • • •They don't!
A friend told me they had a laptop that just suddenly stopped working and took forever to boot up.
Turns out it was a W10 laptop and it prompted them to install Windows 11 which basically made it non functional. Took 10+ minutes to boot and could barely open a single browser window. I installed Linux and suprise surprise the laptop worked perfecly fine.
muhyb
in reply to AnomanderRake • • •No surprise there!
Then they sell useless OOTB laptops. Those laptops desperately need Linux (or BSD).
Chloé 🥕
in reply to AnomanderRake • • •that’s not even a new thing…
my mother had a windows 7 laptop for work, she upgraded it to windows 10 (microsoft did a similar nagging back then) and not only did it become atrociously slow, a bunch of hardware drivers also stopped working, including pretty important stuff like USB
unfortunately linux wouldn’t have been an option cause the software she needed was (and still is) windows only
Damage
in reply to Chloé 🥕 • • •Pieisawesome
in reply to AnomanderRake • • •I don’t understand windows business model for these low end laptops.
They just make windows look bad (not that it’s good).
So many people have “windows slow” imprinted on their brains because they buy a $500 or less computer and expect it to be as good as a 1500 MacBook…
causepix
in reply to Pieisawesome • • •Woah, woah, last time I checked, for $500 you could get pretty decent specs. Though, the last time I checked was in 2019 when I was shopping for a 2 in 1 for school. Since then I've bought used and haven't looked back.
Still, I think you're thinking in the $150 and under range. Anything more than that for a device with 4gb of memory would be straight up robbery.
arrowMace
in reply to ray • • •Damage
in reply to arrowMace • • •it does
LiveLM
in reply to Damage • • •Damage
in reply to LiveLM • • •Ardens
in reply to ray • • •teles
in reply to Ardens • • •utopiah
in reply to teles • • •That's bullying talk. It's the same everywhere... and what matters is the "almost" part. If people need you, they find a way. It might be SMS, it might be email, you might be left out from groupchat but you can still be reached.
cabbage
in reply to utopiah • • •setVeryLoud(true);
in reply to utopiah • • •utopiah
in reply to setVeryLoud(true); • • •SusanoStyle
in reply to utopiah • • •In Latin America most public services, banks ans bussines uses whatspps as their main support line.
To give you an example, if you have no water in your house you need to report on wp. No other way.
And this is the standard for a lot of services, wp is the ONLY way to ask for support.
Also, if you are a freelancer or have a bussiness, your clients expect you to have whatsapp, 90% of inquiries and sales goes through wp.
It's a nightmare, i really want to get rid of meta services but it is impossible for my case.
I have decided to decouple what i can, and use different phones for meta services, but i suspect that they still correlate and collect data. (Based on location, wifi, mac of iot, browsing etc)
Anyways, i ask people to be aware that for some of us, our situations makes impossible to remove some of the meta, microsoft or google services.
My aproach for now is to only use the minimum neccesary, i still search for ways to gradually switch out what i can.
Whatever i can't rid off, i have another phone for it, how effecrive this is idk but for now is the best solution i found.
ReversalHatchery
in reply to SusanoStyle • • •whatsapp requires phone numbers. surely they can be called
if you have tech skills, try running a matrix bridge for whatsapp for yourself. take it slowly if you need it, you are not in a hurry. your own server, federation off. keep using whatsapp as you did before, and check for a month or two if the bridge is running stable. subscribe to notifications for github releases of the bridge to know if there's an important update.
you won't be able to leave whatsapp behind, but at least you'll be able to get rid of its apps that do whatever that's not for your benefit
SusanoStyle
in reply to ReversalHatchery • • •Sadly the phone number is only for messages, in most cases it's automated with a bot giving you options.
I didn't know about matrix bridges. To be honest i'm not familiar with matrix but i have been learning about networking and self host on the side. I could make it part of the project.
Thanks for the suggestions! I should interact more with the community, i have been receiving lots of good feedback recently, i was always a lurker on reddit.
utopiah
in reply to SusanoStyle • • •Right, I'm not saying it's necessarily bullying by people, it can be precisely by those companies. They make themselves as hard as possible to ignore.
SusanoStyle
in reply to utopiah • • •Whats worse is that even if you are a bit savvy or informed is hard to fully get away from them.
But anyways, even if i cant escape them i will try to give the minimum data possible.
utopiah
in reply to SusanoStyle • • •Yep, one has to be pragmatic. We all wish our behavior was perfect at all time but sadly we must compromise and come to term with it.
Accepting that is important. I believe what can also help is to :
... and finally, most importantly, minimize the actual negative impact. For example if one does provide data to Google or Meta then at least while blocking ads then their actual business model, namely selling your profile to advertising company, is lost.
Ardens
in reply to teles • • •Sadness Nexus
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to Sadness Nexus • • •Oh, you are truly ignorant - sorry to hear that.
Literally everyone I know, is not on WhatsApp... And most of those I have known to use it, don't anymore... Why would you, really? You do know that change start with you, right? Or are you too ignorant to know that?
titanicx
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to titanicx • • •daniskarma
in reply to Ardens • • •WolfLink
in reply to daniskarma • • •daniskarma
in reply to WolfLink • • •Scary indeed.
Phone carriers are to blame. Unlimited SMS plans weren't common when whatsapp took hold of our communications.
Ardens
in reply to daniskarma • • •cabbage
in reply to Ardens • • •I have a bunch of friends from most corners of Europe, most highly educated, all of them use WhatsApp. I use Signal with those who are on there, but 90% are only on WhatsApp, so I am too.
Worse yet, my friends and family in my home country are almost all only on Facebook Messenger. I stopped using that entirely, and clumsily reach out on SMS whenever necessary. It has absolutely made it harder to stay in touch with people I care about.
I also avoid a lot of other social networks that would have been nice in order to keep in touch with my friends in other parts of the world, which is pretty much all of them as I travel. Pixelfed is nice, but my friends are still on Instagram. Or even Snapchat, even though I'm in my 30s.
Not all my friends are privacy nerds, and I wouldn't want them to be either. So I just gently push for Signal whenever I can while I hold my nose and continue to run WhatsApp.
Appoxo
in reply to Ardens • • •Ardens
in reply to Appoxo • • •just another dev
in reply to Ardens • • •I'm sorry I have to spell this out for you, but in other parts of the world WhatsApp is The messenger. As in, since companies are easier to approach though it than, say email.
Bundle that with the network effect, and it's effectively self-ostracising to go without.
Having said that, I still do that, but I'm antisocial, and am okay with being excluded from group chats. But at least I don't go around showcasing my ignorance/incomprehension at how other people do things differently.
Ardens
in reply to just another dev • • •Well, how did it become that way? If it is that way...
And don't worry, you are excused.
Liam Proven
in reply to Ardens • • •The only people I know who don't use WhatsApp are the very technophobic or rich, antisocial Apple users. It's ubiquitous. It is the standard method of international texting. I know a few people who use Signal (mostly who work in or around FOSS or security) and a few who use Telegram. They're all nerds. But friends and family and social contacts and to a degree companies are WhatsApp.
The US is one continent sized country. The ROTW is mostly lots of small countries and lots of movement between them. That means that SMS costs money, sometimes a lot of money, and the Google and Apple systems mean you need to know what type of device the recipient has. If you don't know, don't care, and don't want to know, then you WhatsApp them.
warmaster
in reply to ray • • •baguettefish
in reply to warmaster • • •warmaster
in reply to baguettefish • • •baguettefish
in reply to warmaster • • •Abrinoxus
in reply to ray • • •ReversalHatchery
in reply to Abrinoxus • • •SlartyBartFast
in reply to ray • • •Appoxo
in reply to ray • • •I usually only used the webversion anyway?
First (feels like) everyone complained about apps (for example restaurants) and demanded a web page.
Then there's a fully functional web page and everyone looses their mind because nothing of value (seriously, what could the native app do better?) was lost.
MonkderVierte
in reply to ray • • •So, like Steam, half of all ("native") E-Mail clients and almost all Markdown readers? I mean, there's a fucking Bash script around to correctly display Markdown in the shell.
What a time to compute.
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in reply to MonkderVierte • • •☂️-
in reply to ray • • •Silar
in reply to ray • • •dachsunlove
in reply to Silar • • •luciferofastora
in reply to dachsunlove • • •I recently had a driver issue that prevented my Linux from booting. It was still less frustrating to deal with than Windows in general.
(The solution was literally one button press: In the menu to select what to boot, I pressed "down" in order to load the previous kernel version and work with that until a patch was available. Everything worked just fine.)
LiveLM
in reply to ray • • •Microsoft might as well deprecate their UI Toolkit now. The best 3rd party app to showcase it is dead and even their own apps are just web wrappers nowadays 🙄
malwieder
in reply to ray • • •Scotty_Trees
in reply to ray • • •nameisnotimportant
in reply to ray • • •GitHub - ferdium/ferdium-app: All your services in one place, built by the community
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