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Using a VPN May Subject You to NSA Spying


in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

For better or worse, Trump is in the process of destroying the federal govt. Isn't he also then kind of degrading its ability to spy on its own citizens?
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

The spying will just be more in your face if anything.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

He isn't destroying the entire federal gov, just the bits that are of no value to him. Very important distinction.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

Using the Internet makes you subject to TLA spying.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

Using a VPN may subject you to NSA spying.

NOT using a VPN WILL subject you to NSA spying.

Might as well make their job harder.

Edit to add

Everyone on the internet in any country should assume their local spy squad is spying on them plus the Americans & the Chinese. You'll rarely be wrong anywhere in the world, and they have a lot of backdoors via network hardware (among other ways).

You can potentially have privacy from the FAANGS if you are careful. TLAs not so much.

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in reply to thanksforallthefish

Yup. Also, using Windows will subject you to corporate spying as well, since the spyware is built right in to the operating system. I'm really glad I switched to linux.
in reply to NutWrench

Using Cloudflare DNS or Google DNS will subject you to NSA surveillance
in reply to thanksforallthefish

Basically, they're already spying without a warrant. This just allows them to use it as a primary source instead of making up bullshit to say they found evidence a different way.
in reply to thanksforallthefish

Thank you for this framing! As a plebe who isn’t a tech or privacy expert, but just wants a modicum of privacy, I got spooked reading this Wired story.

Question: what are FAANGS and TLAs?

in reply to MrTastySaganaki

FAANGs = Facebook, Amazon, Apple, NVidia, Google - ie the big tech companies - technically it's kinda out of date because Nvidia isn't doing much (any ?) creepy shit whereas Palantir are the worst. However the acronym was actually an investing one as short hand for high capital gain tech stocks

TLAs are "Three Letter Acronyms" - a short hand way of referring to the govt dept's who tend to use TLAs - CIA, FBI, NSA, MI6, MI5, BND, etc.

Technically a lot of them are FLA (four letter acronyms) CIA equivalents are CSIS for Canada - ASIO for Australia, DGSE for France and GCHQ is the UK equivalent to NSA for example

in reply to thanksforallthefish

I though the acronym was GAFAM ? Google Amazon Facebook Apple Microsoft ? Faang has some deeper meaning but misses Microsoft in it ^^
in reply to N0x0n

I've not heard that one, but it's a better acronym to pickup the privacy abusing tech bros
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

Six Democratic lawmakers are pressing the nation’s top intelligence official to publicly disclose whether Americans who use commercial VPN services risk being treated as foreigners under United States surveillance law—a classification that would strip them of constitutional protections against warrantless government spying.


As if Snowden didn't already prove constitutional protections don't matter to the glowies anyway. Also, don't expect privacy by placing your trust in strangers. Use trustless systems for that.

in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

The open web is more and more an data market of big corps, I see the future more in a decentralized web, I2P or similar.
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in reply to Zerush

Hahaha yah right it well be more centralized. We had a decentralized web and we let it get consolidated. And it just gets more and more. I do not see it ever going back people are to lazy.
in reply to Auli

90%bof the current web is controlled directly or indirectly by Google, M$, FB, Amazon, even OpenSource. It's a shopping mall with surveillance by gov agents and AIs in every corner, not so far from Minority Report, not a model for the future if you want some integrity and sovereignty. It's currently almost irrelevant if you use a VPN, TOR or whatever. they identify you in seconds if they want, more if you are browsing with mobile, knowing in every moment exactly where you are, well by GPS or triangulation.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

My opinion is that I hate the government so fucking much it's unreal. I wish I was Satan so I could devise a new circle of Hell for backers of mass surveillance and personally oversee their eternal torment.
in reply to endless_nameless

you dont hate the government, you hate the bourgeoisie
in reply to ghost_laptop

Exactly. At the federal level the U.S. is an oligarchy completely controlled by the Epstein class.
in reply to endless_nameless

same and watching people espouse this view, but then go back to unwittingly doing what the gov't wants them to do adds an extra layer that i don't know how to describe.
in reply to endless_nameless

new circle of Hell for backers of mass surveillance


A perpetual itch between the thumb toe and the next one, and they must wear shoes 18 hours each day so they can't reach the itch.

in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

This is just FUD to herd people into areas where they're easier to track. Do they really think we've forgotten about Snowden? I also highly doubt any of these elected officials give a damn about privacy.
in reply to TiredTiger

They don't care if we remember Snowden because the collective response to the Snowden leaks was a week-long news cycle and a collective shoulder shrug from society.

Your average person only cares about their privacy and security to the point it clashes with their convenience. They will happily trade their security to make their life a little easier, even if in the long run it cost them way more money.

They will let us small fry think we have the illusion of privacy with our vpns, anti-fingerprint browsers and de-googled phones but the reality is, we're trapped by the whims of a society that LOVES being told what to do so they don't have to think for themselves.

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in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

But if you don't use VPN and are a US citizen don't feel bad GCHQ and Pine gap will spy on you and then report to NSA.
in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

The program also sweeps in enormous volumes of private messages belonging to Americans, which the FBI may search without a warrant...


Can outlets like Wired stop pretending like this is legal? The FBI may not legally search anything without a warrant and they are illegally doing it anyway.

in reply to Alas Poor Erinaceus

New Law: You can no longer have window blinds or curtains on your windows because we cannot see what you are doing inside your house, and you might be engaged in nefarious actions. The more a government surveils and spies on it's citizenry, the more they distrust them.