China has a hypersonic missile for under 100k, and there are F150 Ford trucks that are more expensive than that
China’s YKJ-1000: The Low-Cost Hypersonic Missile Shaking Global Military Power and Indo-Pacific Security - Defence Security Asia
China’s YKJ-1000 hypersonic missile, capable of Mach 7 speeds and priced at just US$99,000, is reshaping global defence strategy and Indo-Pacific power dynamics.admin (Defence Security Asia)
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eldavi
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Everyone knows it's cheaper to wait for humans to reproduce and grow (and die in shitty preventable conditions) than it is to invest your manpower in constant reindustrialization.
I think that was the lesson of the US Civil War.
RiverRock
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in reply to fruitycoder • • •This is a classic trope of American apologia. You pick a thing where we're clearly the worst, then just say that (Other country) is probably worse than us, but just expertly lying and hiding it, and hey both are bad and there's totally evidence (no evidence provided) so really there's no point in differentiating between these two totally equivalent things (that are incredibly different) and the correct answer is to be above it all (never having to admit you're wrong).
It's the final layer of imperial propaganda. Nobody can say with a straight face that the US is good anymore, so we cope by saying that everyone else is secretly just as bad or worse, so why bother taking a side?
fruitycoder
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in reply to fruitycoder • • •It's imperial propaganda to respond to the fact that we are the biggest slave state by implying that the countries the empire wants you to hate are probably secretly worse. You didn't get that idea on your own, you learned to yadda yadda into equivocating the incomparable the same way we all did: through constant exposure to imperial media.
To pretend that everyone is an oppressor just like us, yes. That is imperial propaganda, designed to foster hopelessness and disengagement. If you confronted someone who was abusing their children to an absurd degree, and they responded by saying "Psh, everyone does it, probably", you would immediately see that for the weak deflection that it is. It's no different here.
... Show more..."You know there are more sides t
It's imperial propaganda to respond to the fact that we are the biggest slave state by implying that the countries the empire wants you to hate are probably secretly worse. You didn't get that idea on your own, you learned to yadda yadda into equivocating the incomparable the same way we all did: through constant exposure to imperial media.
To pretend that everyone is an oppressor just like us, yes. That is imperial propaganda, designed to foster hopelessness and disengagement. If you confronted someone who was abusing their children to an absurd degree, and they responded by saying "Psh, everyone does it, probably", you would immediately see that for the weak deflection that it is. It's no different here.
"You know there are more sides than just the police and the parent here, right?"
Not when it comes to this argument. In this specific argument there are exactly two sides: what is known and verifiable on the one hand, and the habit of vague, proofless insinuation we were taught to engage in from childhood on the other. It's a coping mechanism, a way to make up reasons for the obvious not to be true when it makes us uncomfortable. In this case, the obvious is that we are the world's biggest perpetrator of the evil of slavery, and the cope is the fantasy that those sneaky Chinese are probably worse but hiding it.
fruitycoder
in reply to RiverRock • • •Not everyone and not even everyone in either state is "the oppressor". Their are clear factions that are in clear cases. Mind you this thread STARTED with a callout of slavery in China, was whataboutismed to include modern American slavery.
Again yes there are more sides. You say we, are the oppressor, but you're alone in that in this back and forth, I am actually opposed. I vote, organize, boycott, strike, etc against it. There are people in China that vote, organize, boycott, strike, etc against it. Me and them, and the many others around the world are on the same side here.
Its defeatist to just accept evil. Call it out. Its not normal. Its not ok. Its a decision made by some people and we should disempowet those that make those decisions and empower everyone else to be able to fight back however we can
RiverRock
in reply to fruitycoder • • •This thread started with you lazily repeating a jingoist cliche with no evidence, and me pointing out that our government are both world-historical liars and provably guilty of that exact crime at an unprecedented scale. It's like saying "this thread started with a callout of Miss Rachel's cannibalism, and was whataboutismed to include Richard Chase." Or "This thread started with a callout of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons, and was whataboutismed to include the United States." This is not a matter of two equally guilty parties, this is a matter of what the world's biggest propaganda machine says about other countries to justify horrifying acts against them.
... Show more...That's good, but makes it all the more important that you understand the dynamic at play here. Would you casually accuse Venezuela of being a narco state in league with
This thread started with you lazily repeating a jingoist cliche with no evidence, and me pointing out that our government are both world-historical liars and provably guilty of that exact crime at an unprecedented scale. It's like saying "this thread started with a callout of Miss Rachel's cannibalism, and was whataboutismed to include Richard Chase." Or "This thread started with a callout of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons, and was whataboutismed to include the United States." This is not a matter of two equally guilty parties, this is a matter of what the world's biggest propaganda machine says about other countries to justify horrifying acts against them.
That's good, but makes it all the more important that you understand the dynamic at play here. Would you casually accuse Venezuela of being a narco state in league with jihadists, as the news here has insanely suggested? Of course not, because you would recognize that that's a story cooked up to justify American hostility towards Venezuela. "Chinese slavery" is no different. If you're on the side of the overwhelming masses of humanity, you have to be able to recognize this bullshit when you see it, or else you may find yourself repeating tall tales invented to justify people's repression by the world capitalist empire.
Correct, it's not normal or tolerated in most of the world, including China. The only countries saying it is normal there are the countries who are themselves guilty of it and seeking to muddy the waters by projecting their crimes, like how Israel accuses Hamas of harboring genocidal intent. You need to be more discerning about believing what the countries where slavery is legal and normal say about the countries where it isn't. Of course the slave states are going to try to tell you that everyone is doing it, that it's "whataboutism" to focus on their well-documented crimes and not on the crimes they want you to believe, with no evidence, that their rivals are committing. It's on you to be smarter than that.
fruitycoder
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in reply to fruitycoder • • •"It" being something that doesn't exist
"It" being something that doesn't exist
Thanks, I will
An issue that doesn't exist
"Chinese slavery is super real bro, you gotta believe me. No I will not be backing up my jingoist hunch with anything, why do you hate justice?"
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in reply to fruitycoder • • •Why do y'all libs write like you're auditioning for speechwriter in The West Wing lmao. Dork behaviour.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •No no those kids giving up education in order to keep their family afloat aren't being coerced or forced at all /s
The US admin also repeal anti slavery laws for migrant workers couldn't have more blatant on how they actually feel about the working class. The anti immigrant retoric here about "jobs" has always been a lie
Greg Clarke
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •100 kUSD buys far too little of that, even in Russia and China.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Russia has that too, nevertheless Kinzhal and Kalibr (which are lower-Mach and don't carry a hypersonic glider stage) are both about 10 MUSD.
Just the costs of JP-10/decilin are considerable already.
Depending on the specs, I'd assume the price to be a few MUSD, never under 100 kUSD.
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