‘Another internet is possible’: Norway rails against ‘enshittification’
‘Another internet is possible’: Norway rails against ‘enshittification’
Absurdist video urges policymakers and users to resist deliberate deterioration of platforms and devicesAshifa Kassam (The Guardian)
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MoogleMaestro
in reply to Chris Remington • • •I think that technology like Tailscale has sold me on the concept of on-internet intranets, as in subnets with extreme firewall policies that doesn't prevent you from accessing the broader net when necessary but gives network maintainers strict control on how their networks are bridged. I've been thinking about this to the degree that I've been trying to do more research into how this can be achieved with open source technologies like Headscale.
Ideally, you'd want to have a peer-to-peer relay server option for bridging multiple "trusted" networks which would then provide a broad DNS resolution to let you access services that are advertised for bridged networks. So it would be like if, via tailscale, I could connect to another person's tailnet using specific domain names if those services were exposed via a "bridge node", so to speak.
Tailscale themselves have no reason to implement this though; As a business, they would actually prefer you buy larger client counts. I don't blame them for this, it's the basis of their business. But I think, long term, multiple intranet
... Show more...I think that technology like Tailscale has sold me on the concept of on-internet intranets, as in subnets with extreme firewall policies that doesn't prevent you from accessing the broader net when necessary but gives network maintainers strict control on how their networks are bridged. I've been thinking about this to the degree that I've been trying to do more research into how this can be achieved with open source technologies like Headscale.
Ideally, you'd want to have a peer-to-peer relay server option for bridging multiple "trusted" networks which would then provide a broad DNS resolution to let you access services that are advertised for bridged networks. So it would be like if, via tailscale, I could connect to another person's tailnet using specific domain names if those services were exposed via a "bridge node", so to speak.
Tailscale themselves have no reason to implement this though; As a business, they would actually prefer you buy larger client counts. I don't blame them for this, it's the basis of their business. But I think, long term, multiple intranets will be really important for digital sovereignty for both smaller nation states and individuals. We can no longer trust the broad web as it was. The fediverse is the first step, the next is tighter meta-networks in tandem with federated internet services.
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in reply to MoogleMaestro • • •Valmond
in reply to org • • •Heey have you heard of the tenfingers sharing protocol? It makes away with both DNS, registrars and hosting platforms.
You need to open a port to the internet from your PC though, so people don't seem to like that/be able to do that/have a provider letting them, so I'm working on a workaround for thar so it'll be just fire and forget, no configuration.
Introduction - Tenfingers
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in reply to Valmond • • •Scott
in reply to org • • •Midnitte
in reply to Scott • • •Wonder what the performance of a fibonacci sequence is there. 😄
Valmond
in reply to Scott • • •Scott
in reply to Valmond • • •eleitl
in reply to org • • •Valmond
in reply to eleitl • • •Valmond
in reply to org • • •Tenfingers is roughly: you want the network to share your data, then you have to share data for the network.
So for example you share 50MB of data for a large overshare for your 5MB web page.
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in reply to Valmond • • •Valmond
in reply to org • • •Well, then you have to make your website smaller, or extend your sharing space, or lower the oversharing.
It's not intended for (nothing forbids it though) very large data sharing, more a personal sharing space.
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in reply to Valmond • • •Valmond
in reply to org • • •Kissaki
in reply to Valmond • • •Valmond
in reply to Kissaki • • •When you share say an 5MB mp3, with the default x10 oversharing, you'll negotiate with 10 other nodes to "you share mine, I'll share yours".
The system will (configurable) accept files up to twice that size. It will statistically even out to roughly the same size of your file x the oversharing.
And don't forget, we're not talking about TB of data, but Megabytes. You can "lose" some space quite many times before even hitting a Gigabyte. A GB is not much today, or so I think.
When you decide to update your mp3 (say you have a "song of the day") then all nodes will get an update request. If they fail to update, they'll just be dropped and a new node searched for. You can also just clean out the shares if you want to, they'll repopulate automatically.
With oversharing, you just need one of them all to be 'up' to make the system work, you can share your new song, shut your PC down and it still works.
WorldlyCaregiver
in reply to MoogleMaestro • • •MoogleMaestro
in reply to WorldlyCaregiver • • •That is interesting, I'll make a note of it.
Yes, but node operators would probably be best encouraged to run simple indexer searches, especially in a system where agreements could be made about how hard-hitting said searches should be (and a mutual respect for robots.txt and the like). I'll be honest and say that the Internet has been barely searchable for at least half a decade, if not a whole decade if I were critical.
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