Pornhub is urging tech giants to enact device-based age verification
Pornhub is urging tech giants to enact device-based age verification
The company is pushing for an alternative way to keep minors from viewing porn.WIRED (Ars Technica)
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in reply to Lembot_0005 • • •Here's what happened speaking as someone who worked for 3 adult companies that were all bought by manwin/pornhub.
They bought out too many companies that hosted user generated porn/"reality" porn and couldn't/didn't do anything with it.
Take Pink Visual/Twistys for example. a good 10 years or so ago they bought them (I was working there) Now the only thing Twistys had going for it was A. the actual Twisty brand which was like a B or C tier Playboy and B. it's user generated sites (GayTube, SexTube, TrannyTube, etc) and arguably Gaytube was in the later stages of the companies life making the money. It was all user and affiliated submitted content that had to be manually moderated (that was me) in order to go up on the site. Yes I saw/reported a lot of underage content but overall the majority was consenting adults and there was A LOT of it. Side note you know the video of the guy that sticks the jar up his ass and it doesn't go well? we got that first and I denied it buttttttttt I did send it along to some "other" sites. you're welcome.
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... Show more...Here's what happened speaking as someone who worked for 3 adult companies that were all bought by manwin/pornhub.
They bought out too many companies that hosted user generated porn/"reality" porn and couldn't/didn't do anything with it.
Take Pink Visual/Twistys for example. a good 10 years or so ago they bought them (I was working there) Now the only thing Twistys had going for it was A. the actual Twisty brand which was like a B or C tier Playboy and B. it's user generated sites (GayTube, SexTube, TrannyTube, etc) and arguably Gaytube was in the later stages of the companies life making the money. It was all user and affiliated submitted content that had to be manually moderated (that was me) in order to go up on the site. Yes I saw/reported a lot of underage content but overall the majority was consenting adults and there was A LOT of it. Side note you know the video of the guy that sticks the jar up his ass and it doesn't go well? we got that first and I denied it buttttttttt I did send it along to some "other" sites. you're welcome.
Every "user" site was moderated by at least 2 people. each one. When manwin bought us they didn't bother with that and got their asses nailed for it. SO instead of using moderators to view all the content submitted they decided to just not allow any of it unless it was from a studio. the problem with that? they pretty much bought all the studios and promptly either relocated them or shut them down. This is what happened to another company I worked for, Digital Pink. They did "reality porn" like Wife Swap, College Orgy Party or whatever it was called, and a shit ton more I can't remember. We also ran a massive and very successful affiliate program called Topbucks. Manwin buys the company and again doesn't do anything with it. all that content goes bye bye. And because there's no content the affiliates aren't making money so all those smaller niche sites also go bye bye.
The lack of content as you've clearly seen is their own doing. A handful of content studios remain and all those creators that were submitting their own stuff to us have gone else where be it onlyfans or simply putting up their own crap somewhere. the ONE company that has been around longer than any of it and STILL hasn't sold to Manwin/Pornhub and is all amateur created content is Southern-Charms but...yeah you'll be hard pressed to find a "looker" on that site.
Manwin became a sort of monopoly for porn. They just didn't do anything with the shit they bought and now after all these years they're starting to hurt. They won't be around much longer.
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in reply to rozodru • • •Thanks for the explanation. I know nothing about the industry, and from the outside it really looked like they just wanted to save a few bucks on the moderators and stopped receiving videos from any sources except for a few they know well. I had no idea that they buy studios en masse.
Monopolies (especially monopolies of something that isn't totally unavoidable and necessary) never end well. And it is good.
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in reply to Ashu • • •You put your device in child safety mode, and it tells sites "I'm a kid, treat me like a kid" -- otherwise the site can assume you're an adult with full rights. Done. No intrusive ID requirements. No face scanning. No third-party payment shakedowns. Parents, in theory, can still stop their five year olds from accidentally accessing PornHub or other content that would disturb them by just clicking a button when they set up an account on the device.
It's, frankly, the sane way to do this if we're going to have age restrictions.
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in reply to e0qdk • • •Honestly, I don't picture this happening. The main problem is parents parking their kids in front of screens or devices with internet access and then just bailing. Most devices have the means to do this and have so for a long time, it’s called “parental control”. It’s been a thing since the late 90s in my experience and probably earlier. The problem is it requires some time/effort to set up. I’m not advocating for the digital ID solution to this problem necessarily, just to be clear. However, even anti virus suites have this ability, routers have this ability, hell even browsers do if I recall but people and parents have been hands off about it.
Now they are complaining and expecting the entire internet to change or blaming online porn companies. The alternative is realising that letting kids have unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet, the place where you can easily view graphic footage of people dying, is actually a bad idea; bordering on neglect. Though this ignores places like Tik Tok, YouTube and a lot of social media marketing t
... Show more...Honestly, I don't picture this happening. The main problem is parents parking their kids in front of screens or devices with internet access and then just bailing. Most devices have the means to do this and have so for a long time, it’s called “parental control”. It’s been a thing since the late 90s in my experience and probably earlier. The problem is it requires some time/effort to set up. I’m not advocating for the digital ID solution to this problem necessarily, just to be clear. However, even anti virus suites have this ability, routers have this ability, hell even browsers do if I recall but people and parents have been hands off about it.
Now they are complaining and expecting the entire internet to change or blaming online porn companies. The alternative is realising that letting kids have unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet, the place where you can easily view graphic footage of people dying, is actually a bad idea; bordering on neglect. Though this ignores places like Tik Tok, YouTube and a lot of social media marketing their platforms as “kid friendly” when they’re anything but, probably a different discussion however.
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in reply to ohulancutash • • •Is this right? Out of curiosity, how do these sites flag themselves as content for adults?
Obviously, this is the solution. Sites that do this correctly, and software that detects the metadata. Parents are the ones that need to choose the correct software and enable the correct settings.
Sites that do not set the correct metadata are legible to be banned by authorities.
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in reply to along_the_road • • •I kinda agree, but it doesn't need to be verification. Just a standardised child account set for the OS that devices come with. Make it really fucking obvious when setting up a device too, parents can be morons so don't give them that excuse.
Make it clear that the parents are responsible.
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in reply to Scrubbles • • •Any sort of hardware attestation that non-trivially identifies a person to verify their age is going to be used to track and exploit people.
Anything less than that isn't going to be effective for the supposed purpose.
The moment we need photo ID or government issued keys to access computer systems, things will get a lot more ugly real fast.
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in reply to Scrubbles • • •What makes you think it will stop there?
Once the groundwork has been laid for this framework, all they need to do is roll out v2 which requires a little more from the user, etc.
Most servers won't check this bit at first because they don't need to or care, but once the technology is in place, it won't be long before legislation mandating the checking of that bit begins to roll out affecting industries and providers that deal in topics and goods deemed to be bad for the children (it won't stop at porn).
Once that happens, minors will learn ways around the check (or parents will be lazy and give their kids access to adult logins, etc), and the "need" to enact stronger checks will be pushed for and...
Put all of it together and you're heading towards an Internet without anonymity in a couple of decades.
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in reply to Bronzebeard • • •The speed is slower but the slope is slippery all the same.
Beware the fallacy fallacy.
the fallacy that, since an argument contains a logical fallacy, its conclusion must be false
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in reply to along_the_road • • •This would require "verified" operating systems: No alternative Android-based OSes. No Linux phone. Hell, no Linux desktop, or at least we would be stuck with a big-tech-built proprietary web browser.
This is a terrible idea.
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i am glad, however, that we’re not reshaping society in order to be more convenient customers for pornhub…
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in reply to lightnsfw • • •Verified Operating System is the one where the manufacturer or OEM has built, installed, with a guarantee that it has not been tampered or rooted in any manner which can hinder DRM or any security guarantee it offers by default.
Think SafetyNet and verified boot on android, Or UEFI secure boot on windows.
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