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in reply to along_the_road

To be honest, this is probably justified. My knee-jerk reaction was "oh look, USA in antagonizing everyone else again", but consumer routers are a really significant security junction which historically has always been somewhat neglected. I only read a few sentences before the paywall stopped me, but sounds like they'll whitelist any foreign manufacturers that are legitimate.

Yes, it's gonna have corruption and bribes all over it.. But on paper, it's justified.

in reply to NeatNit

I hope things like hardware made by/for openwrt remain available, but it sounds like they will cease to be?

My first thought was the risk of the us demanding us manufacturers include a backdoor

It sounds like the exemption for foreign companies is an option while they create plans for american manufacturing

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in reply to Cris_Citrus

I hope things like hardware made by/for openwrt remain available, but it sounds like they will cease to be?


It seems like professional equipment will not be affected:

While the FCC’s Covered List makes it sound like the US is banning all “routers produced in a foreign country,” it’s defined a bit more narrowly than that. It’s specifically banning “consumer-grade routers” as defined in NIST Internal Report 8425A, which refers to ones “intended for residential use and can be installed by the customer.”
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in reply to Successful_Try543

That's not reassuring. It sounds like they don't want home users to be able to get any router they could manage themselves.
in reply to Successful_Try543

I'm not sure their like bananapi based router would be considered professional. More home tinkerer

I'm not sure what that'll mean for the impact of this change, but I guess we'll see 🤷🏻‍♂️

in reply to Cris_Citrus

Yeah, I'm not too worried for enthusiasts. imho, this is a bigger deal for the 99% of the rest of everyone. So, like, kinda a big deal.

And, like, the erosion of civil liberties and human rights, and the rise of fascism. If you care about those.

in reply to NeatNit

but consumer routers are a really significant security junction which historically has always been somewhat neglected.


You're right, but simply shifting the production from overseas to US doesn't inherently make the routers more secure. The article mentions the lack of software updates for discontinued products as a big threat that has been exploited in the past.

I only read a few sentences before the paywall stopped me,


Fortunately, there is no paywall for me. Here is the article on archive.org.

but sounds like they'll whitelist any foreign manufacturers that are legitimate.


No, the article mentions only one exception:

Now, router makers need to A) secure a “conditional approval” that lets them keep getting new products cleared for US entry while they work to convince the government that they’ll open up manufacturing in the US, or B) make the decision to skip selling future products in the US, like dronemaker DJI already did.
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in reply to NeatNit

What? Because companies from other countries are evil? What makes you think that companies in your own country are better?

Why does the country even matter?

in reply to B0rax

I'm not from the US. And I think the way they're trying to tackle it is stupid, roughly for the reasons you say. But on a surface level it's good that there is some action taken on this matter.

The country does matter. It allows oversight and regulation to a greater extent. And if it turns out that there's a backdoor in a router, if it's made locally there will be someone to criminally charge, whereas if it's made in China or wherever, that would be impossible.

Then again, it's the US, so they'd probably charge some random worker instead of the CEO who demanded the back door be implemented.

in reply to NeatNit

What kind of oversight are you talking about? Locally produced items do not need to fulfill more regulations.

If this was about cyber security there would be a mandatory certification (like there is for emc, like the FCC). But blanket statements like „foreign company bad!“ don’t do anything for increasing cyber security

in reply to B0rax

Yeah, items are licensed according to where they’re sold, not made. “More oversight” makes no sense.
in reply to B0rax

It's just another routine fascist strategy:

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

"When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will"

in reply to OwOarchist

It sounds like you should still be able to buy stuff, I don't believe it takes active effect immediately
in reply to OwOarchist

It only applies to router models that aren't approved by FCC yet. I.e., you will be ~~able~~ allowed to buy those (current and future) models who already have an FCC approval.
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in reply to OwOarchist

Routers are incredibly simple. You can run your own using openwrt or opnsense. Then some dumb switches and access points and you're good to go.
in reply to Scrubbles

Upvoting this, you can turn any computer into a router as well. You can have control of your own hardware.
in reply to dfi

The problem is that this is not targeting the <1% that would just build their own router. Surveilance and control of the other 99% is sufficient.
in reply to Ooops

I totally agree, but hopefully with some advocacy we can get it from 99 to 98%. Doesn't sound like much, but that's 2 million people who have switched then, and whoever else may live in their house using their non-routers.
in reply to Darkassassin07

Probably not. The goal isn’t to sell American routers.

The goal is to sell routers to Americans with government back doors built-in.

Any companies with approval will be providing that back door.

in reply to Hux

There is also the possibility that Pumpkin Harkonnen just wants some 'donations' to provide individual exceptions to brands.
in reply to sanzky

Totally. Capitalism and fascism definitely rhyme.
in reply to Darkassassin07

The US literally only produces stupid people, corn, and soybeans. Everything else comes from over seas.
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in reply to RamenJunkie

That's just not true. Bigotry and conspiracy theories are also produced there, and I read they're among the top exporters.
in reply to 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘

They want you to think this but most Made in the USA consoiracies are just imports from Russia and are actually "Assembled in the USA."

But market research shows the Idiots prefer the "Made in the USA" branding.

in reply to along_the_road

This has pay-to-play written all over it. It’s also opening a door to US companies capturing a market, which you know is going to mean the US government gets a big ol’ backdoor. Suddenly Meta is in the router market… 💀
in reply to along_the_road

Non-shite archiver link
in reply to along_the_road

My eero router recently got an update which permanently blocks archive.ph . What a coincidence.
in reply to GrindingGears

Yesterday the site and its mirrors redirected to an eero page saying it was blocked because it was "dangerous." Today it was a more general couldn't connect page.
in reply to Kwakigra

I noticed both yesterday mine is actually working again. I'm in Canada if that makes any difference. But it's definitely haunting.

Honestly even ignoring all this for a second, I fucking hate those eero routers. OMFG. They have turned me into a slobbering ragging lunatic on more than one occasion. I just fucking hate routers as a whole, they've always been demon devices, but these ones especially can fucking blow up anytime.

in reply to GrindingGears

I'm in a US state with a submissive to authority government. As of today it's still giving me an "unable to connect" page.
in reply to Kwakigra

That's shitty. We are pretty big cucks up here for that sort of stuff too. Our telecommunications companies pretty much run our country, so it's only a matter of time.
in reply to along_the_road