Was he a bad dude? I thought OF was a way for sex workers to have greater agency. If karma is looking for suggestions, I have a long list of people more deserving in my estimation. That said, I don't know this person and maybe he was bad, too.
He was a cyber pimp, exploiting sex workers online by stealing from their earnings. He also is one of the largest donors to the pro israeli lobby in the US
I just know that when 404 Media reported on the ManyVids founder publicly slipping into AI psychosis, they mentioned that ManyVids was often described as being the only platform to give workers a fair deal.
yes, exploitation of sex workers is rarely cool and ethical job.
many of the creators on the platform were lured there in a similar way the young dumb guys were lured into army, many are operating as part of some big organization that facilitates the exploitation, run their accounts for them and take their money, often times lying to them about what their videos actually earned (which they can't verify, because their account is being ran by third person), and the dumb users who believe they have personal relationship with a stripper are actually chatting with some underpaid person in third world country, who is often hired for a temp job and then fired without being paid.
don't trust PR bullshit about ethical porn and "independent creators" being their own bosses. while such creators probably do exist, there are also ones that are exploited in really nightmarish conditions.
yes, exploitation of sex workers is rarely cool and ethical job.
many of the creators on the platform were lured there in a similar way the young dumb guys were lured into army, many are operating as part of some big organization that facilitates the exploitation, run their accounts for them and take their money, often times lying to them about what their videos actually earned (which they can't verify, because their account is being ran by third person), and the dumb users who believe they have personal relationship with a stripper are actually chatting with some underpaid person in third world country, who is often hired for a temp job and then fired without being paid.
don't trust PR bullshit about ethical porn and "independent creators" being their own bosses. while such creators probably do exist, there are also ones that are exploited in really nightmarish conditions.
My ex and I looked into monetizing the porn we were shooting anyway for FetLife (it was 2010, so while we had videos, we never uploaded them). The options at the time were extortionate, and she firmly refused to hand over 40% of proceeds. We tried Clips4Sale and a couple of other sites, but no dice.
Now, she was being a bit unrealistic, as she'd only accept a 0% cut by the hosting company, so we kept it to just having fun and posting on occasion. OnlyFans was not yet a thing, and payment processors were being assholes about adult content, so starting our own site was also an impossibility.
The fact that it's now an option has created opportunities for paid adult content that wasn't around 15 years ago, and while OF spam in certain corners of the internet is infuriating, it's a valid way to make money without harm.
This said, as things have evolved, even if she'd come around to 20% being acceptable, there's no way in hell she'd do the whole thing of "chatting" with "fans," which seems to be how many porn actors actually make their money. Having been on the edge of
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My ex and I looked into monetizing the porn we were shooting anyway for FetLife (it was 2010, so while we had videos, we never uploaded them). The options at the time were extortionate, and she firmly refused to hand over 40% of proceeds. We tried Clips4Sale and a couple of other sites, but no dice.
Now, she was being a bit unrealistic, as she'd only accept a 0% cut by the hosting company, so we kept it to just having fun and posting on occasion. OnlyFans was not yet a thing, and payment processors were being assholes about adult content, so starting our own site was also an impossibility.
The fact that it's now an option has created opportunities for paid adult content that wasn't around 15 years ago, and while OF spam in certain corners of the internet is infuriating, it's a valid way to make money without harm.
This said, as things have evolved, even if she'd come around to 20% being acceptable, there's no way in hell she'd do the whole thing of "chatting" with "fans," which seems to be how many porn actors actually make their money. Having been on the edge of that industry, I've heard some horror stories, and you can't really maximize your income without working 16-hour days and hiring people to chat on your behalf.
It's seriously far more work than a regular job. And it drains the joy, as any hobby that turns into work.
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in reply to MagicShel • • •yes, exploitation of sex workers is rarely cool and ethical job.
many of the creators on the platform were lured there in a similar way the young dumb guys were lured into army, many are operating as part of some big organization that facilitates the exploitation, run their accounts for them and take their money, often times lying to them about what their videos actually earned (which they can't verify, because their account is being ran by third person), and the dumb users who believe they have personal relationship with a stripper are actually chatting with some underpaid person in third world country, who is often hired for a temp job and then fired without being paid.
don't trust PR bullshit about ethical porn and "independent creators" being their own bosses. while such creators probably do exist, there are also ones that are exploited in really nightmarish conditions.
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many of the creators on the platform were lured there in a similar way the young dumb guys were lured into army, many are operating as part of some big organization that facilitates the exploitation, run their accounts for them and take their money, often times lying to them about what their videos actually earned (which they can't verify, because their account is being ran by third person), and the dumb users who believe they have personal relationship with a stripper are actually chatting with some underpaid person in third world country, who is often hired for a temp job and then fired without being paid.
don't trust PR bullshit about ethical porn and "independent creators" being their own bosses. while such creators probably do exist, there are also ones that are exploited in really nightmarish conditions.
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in reply to Chris Remington • • •My ex and I looked into monetizing the porn we were shooting anyway for FetLife (it was 2010, so while we had videos, we never uploaded them). The options at the time were extortionate, and she firmly refused to hand over 40% of proceeds. We tried Clips4Sale and a couple of other sites, but no dice.
Now, she was being a bit unrealistic, as she'd only accept a 0% cut by the hosting company, so we kept it to just having fun and posting on occasion. OnlyFans was not yet a thing, and payment processors were being assholes about adult content, so starting our own site was also an impossibility.
The fact that it's now an option has created opportunities for paid adult content that wasn't around 15 years ago, and while OF spam in certain corners of the internet is infuriating, it's a valid way to make money without harm.
This said, as things have evolved, even if she'd come around to 20% being acceptable, there's no way in hell she'd do the whole thing of "chatting" with "fans," which seems to be how many porn actors actually make their money. Having been on the edge of
... Show more...My ex and I looked into monetizing the porn we were shooting anyway for FetLife (it was 2010, so while we had videos, we never uploaded them). The options at the time were extortionate, and she firmly refused to hand over 40% of proceeds. We tried Clips4Sale and a couple of other sites, but no dice.
Now, she was being a bit unrealistic, as she'd only accept a 0% cut by the hosting company, so we kept it to just having fun and posting on occasion. OnlyFans was not yet a thing, and payment processors were being assholes about adult content, so starting our own site was also an impossibility.
The fact that it's now an option has created opportunities for paid adult content that wasn't around 15 years ago, and while OF spam in certain corners of the internet is infuriating, it's a valid way to make money without harm.
This said, as things have evolved, even if she'd come around to 20% being acceptable, there's no way in hell she'd do the whole thing of "chatting" with "fans," which seems to be how many porn actors actually make their money. Having been on the edge of that industry, I've heard some horror stories, and you can't really maximize your income without working 16-hour days and hiring people to chat on your behalf.
It's seriously far more work than a regular job. And it drains the joy, as any hobby that turns into work.
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