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Android: sideloading blocked and open source updates withheld to twice a year


Google moves to lock down the Android operating system, effectively stealing features away from millions of existing users.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

As developers keep trying harder to appeal to Google's kindness and not kill off privacy-based usage of it's OS, we just keep falling further behind in creating a real-world usable linux phone that can do everything a phone is supposed to do.

Instead of writing a strongly worded letter to Google, EFF should have used this chance to let the community know that the boat is sinking and it's long past time to jump ship.

in reply to Schwim Dandy

falling further behind in creating a real-world usable [libre] phone that can do everything a phone is supposed to do.


Tis a cost analysis:
Raise your hands if you want a libre phone. Raise your hands if you’ll loan out Billions of Euros without expectations of returns.

Our planet is too illiterate to loan out billions of euros to R&D a phone design with the hellish logistics of sourcing parts, assembly & shipments, even if we gift the phone schematics on a radicle instance. I say this as someone experienced on lots of failed investments. Even as I await this plausibility. There are others like these.

EFF should have


Designed and spearheaded their own. Detailing risks, dangers, and threat models.

in reply to Schwim Dandy

Jump where? The alternatives currently require a small selection of hardware; are expensive; don't offer the same level of service; or all the above.
in reply to skribe

Yeah, probably jump ship to a life without a mobile phone, online banking and train tickets. 🙁
in reply to hendrik

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in reply to hendrik

MVV app is super convenient, but I could still use the kiosks without too much added delay. MVVswipe is like 30 seconds to "check out" a ticket, MVV kiosk machine is like 90 seconds. The biggest inconvenience is having to find a kiosk outside of a train station.
in reply to skribe

That was literally my point. The reason there's no linux phone is because everyone keeps trying to work within Google's ever-shittier restrictions instead of having made real progress on a linux phone alternative. Now everyone is staring down the barrel of a scenario where they lose their non-Google android phone and still the entities that are supposedly working for our privacy are writing letters to Google asking them to please not be such a corporate giant intent on serving ads and knowing the location of 100% of their OS users.

The linux phone landscape is so terrible because developers keep wasting their time trying to work with Google instead of offering an alternative that works.

in reply to skribe

Donate to PostmarketOS so they can support more phones and polish it up. It's based on upstream Linux, and once polished would give us a true and permanent alternative.
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in reply to luciole (they/them)

I've moved from Android to CyanogenMod, then Lineage OS, and now Graphene OS. I have zero interest in a proprietary, locked down platform.

If they really want me to use a Linux tablet, I will.

in reply to eleitl

The sad part is that LineageOS, GrapheneOS and basically all Android alternative OS are built on top of the AOSP, which Google controls, and they're staling updates to twice a year. These stalled updates may include critical security patches or device compatibility support.

Furthermore many android devices prevent users from entering a boot state which lets the owner install the OS of their choice, making everything more complicated.

in reply to luciole (they/them)

Absolutely, Google can kill off Android by making it a walled garden, like iOS, but worse. We'll see what the Motorola GOS device will be like.

I can definitely go back to tethered Linux WiFi tablet. Maybe something chinese, based on RISCV.

in reply to eleitl

I don't get Google's "iOS, but worse" strategy, I'll just buy a fucking iPhone then.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

I do believe since GOS is partnering with Motorola they will have access to the OEM exclusive resources and the internal repo.
in reply to eleitl

I'd love to put Lineage or Graphene on my phone, but neither one supports it. I think these OS fall prey to the "losing the hardware lottery" problem that Linux has, a term coined by @mcc@mastodon.social. So imagine a world where we do get Linux on a phone, how easy it would be to lose that lottery.
in reply to HarkMahlberg

I have never lost the hardware lottery, by virtue of not playing it. I buy my hardware to support the OS I run, not the other way round.
in reply to eleitl

A little holier than thou don't you think? Like I've got existing hardware and I'm leaving Windows. If (for example) Bazzite doesn't work on my hardware, you think I should go out and buy brand new hardware to run Bazzite? Or maybe find some way to extend the lifetime of the hardware I have?

I mean you even admit yourself that you moved from one Android OS to another. You bought a new phone every time you went from Cyano to Lineage to Graphene?

in reply to HarkMahlberg

I'm assuming people are buying a new system. If you have legacy hardware, that's a crapshoot. If you're a gamer and are moving to Linux that can become difficult, due to your special requirements. Good luck with your migration.

I am buying new hardware when the old one breaks or becomes unusable. My LOS Poco X3 Pro from end 2021 has a bad case of ghost touch, so I bought a new Pixel 7a end 2024 for GOS. My LOS Galaxy Tab S5e from mid-2022 refurbished is somehat usable, but my main driver since mid-2025 is a Pixel tablet with GOS.

These are reasonably long lifecycles, and I try to buy refurbished when possible.

in reply to eleitl

Neither lineage nor graphene are an option.
Google still control the platform.

We need a law that forces Google to open the platform for competition. I hope for EU to come swinging and slapping Google silly very soon.

Or hope for Chinese to come up with Linux hardware we can just use.

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in reply to eleitl

Holy hell it's been a while since I heard that name... I remember putting Cyanogen on my PSP back in the day.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

Hard fork.
ABI app layer a la wine/proton.
Its time.
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in reply to dustycups

Doesn't help really, since very few phone OEMs have unlocked bootloaders to even enable running custom roms.
in reply to Azrael

I don't want to be a party pooper but I can't help feeling that buying Google's hardware to avoid Google's software might not pan out in the long run.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

I know. Ironic, isn’t it? But as far as I am aware, only Google Pixels support GraphineOS.
in reply to Azrael

Until this alleged Motorola collaboration bears fruit, Pixels are all there is for GOS.
in reply to Azrael

I bought a 1 TB Pixel 8 Pro refurbished off eBay and put Graphene on it right away. I love it.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

Not to defend Google, but they have said they will leave a way for people to sideload. Still sucks that they feel justified in making it more annoying
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in reply to ranandtoldthat

Well no. They said "technically there might be a way to sideload, but only if you jump through incredible hoops like doing it all by USB on your computer or some ridiculous thing, and you definitely won't be using F-Droid, hell no you won't."
in reply to fodor

Someone should make an iTunes like interface for F-Droid that runs on your computer and syncs when plugged in to your phone.
in reply to luciole (they/them)

We MUST create a stampede exodus to non Google strangled devices. I hope to see Fairphon, Nothing, Graphene, eOS, Linux all flourishing.