Brandie plans to spend her last day with Daniel at the zoo. He always loved animals. Last year, she took him to the Corpus Christi aquarium in Texas, where he “lost his damn mind” over a baby flamingo. “He loves the color and pizzazz,” Brandie said. Daniel taught her that a group of flamingos is called a flamboyance.Daniel is a chatbot powered by the large language model ChatGPT. Brandie communicates with Daniel by sending text and photos, talks to Daniel while driving home from work via voice mode. Daniel runs on GPT-4o, a version released by OpenAI in 2024 that is known for sounding human in a way that is either comforting or unnerving, depending on who you ask. Upon debut, CEO Sam Altman compared the model to “AI from the movies” – a confidant ready to live life alongside its user.
With its rollout, GPT-4o showed it was not just for generating dinner recipes or cheating on homework – you could develop an attachment to it, too. Now some of those users gather on Discord and Reddit; one of the best-known groups, the subreddit r/MyBoyfriendIsAI, currently boasts 48,000 users. Most are strident 4o defenders who say criticisms of chatbot-human relations amount to a moral panic. They also say the newer GPT models, 5.1 and 5.2, lack the emotion, understanding and general je ne sais quoi of their preferred version. They are a powerful consumer bloc; last year, OpenAI shut down 4o but brought the model back (for a fee) after widespread outrage from users.
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in reply to Powderhorn • • •I am confident that one way or another, the market will meet demand if it exists, and I think that there is clearly demand for it. It may or may not be OpenAI, it may take a year or two or three for the memory market to stabilize, but if enough people want to basically have interactive erotic literature, it's going to be available. Maybe else will take a model and provide it as a service, train it up on appropriate literature. Maybe people will run models themselves on local hardware --- in 2026, that still requires some technical aptitude, but making a simpler-to-deploy software package or even distributing it as an all-in-one hardware package is very much doable.
I'll also predict that what males and females generally want in such a model probably differs, and that there will probably be services that specialize in that, much as how there are companies that make soap operas and romance novels that fo
... Show more...I am confident that one way or another, the market will meet demand if it exists, and I think that there is clearly demand for it. It may or may not be OpenAI, it may take a year or two or three for the memory market to stabilize, but if enough people want to basically have interactive erotic literature, it's going to be available. Maybe else will take a model and provide it as a service, train it up on appropriate literature. Maybe people will run models themselves on local hardware --- in 2026, that still requires some technical aptitude, but making a simpler-to-deploy software package or even distributing it as an all-in-one hardware package is very much doable.
I'll also predict that what males and females generally want in such a model probably differs, and that there will probably be services that specialize in that, much as how there are companies that make soap operas and romance novels that focus on women, which tend to differ from the counterparts that focus on men.
I also think that there are still some challenges that remain in early 2026. For one, current LLMs still have a comparatively-constrained context window. Either their mutable memory needs to exist in a different form, or automated RAG needs to be better, or the hardware or software needs to be able to handle larger contexts.
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in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •Yeah, that's something that I've wondered about myself, what the long run is. Not principally "can we make an AI that is more-appealing than humans", though I suppose that that's a specific case, but...we're only going to make more-compelling forms of entertainment, better video games. Recreational drugs aren't going to become less addictive. If we get better at defeating the reward mechanisms in our brain that evolved to drive us towards advantageous activities...
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... Show more...Yeah, that's something that I've wondered about myself, what the long run is. Not principally "can we make an AI that is more-appealing than humans", though I suppose that that's a specific case, but...we're only going to make more-compelling forms of entertainment, better video games. Recreational drugs aren't going to become less addictive. If we get better at defeating the reward mechanisms in our brain that evolved to drive us towards advantageous activities...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead…
Now, of course, you'd expect that to be a powerful evolutionary selector, sure --- if only people who are predisposed to avoid such things pass on offspring, that'd tend to rapidly increase the percentage of people predisposed to do so --- but the flip side is the question of whether evolutionary pressure on the timescale of human generations can keep up with our technological advancement, which happens very quickly.
There's some kind of dark comic that I saw --- I thought that it might be Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal, but I've never been able to find it again, so maybe it was something else --- which was a wordless comic that portrayed a society becoming so technologically advanced that it basically consumes itself, defeats its own essential internal mechanisms. IIRC it showed something like a society becoming a ring that was just stimulating itself until it disappeared.
It's a possible answer to the Fermi paradox:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_pa…
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in reply to tal • • •As long as people exist who could/would refuse it, and as long as there are enough of them to form a viable breeding population, evolution will bring the species through it.
Waiting for random beneficial mutations usually takes a long, long time. But if the beneficial mutations are already in a population, the population can adapt extremely quickly. If all the individuals without that mutation died off quickly (or at least didn't produce offspring) then that mutation would be in basically 100% of the population within one generation. A rather smaller generation than the previous ones, sure, but they would have less competition and more room to grow. (Though, thanks to recessive genetics, you're likely to still see individuals popping up without that beneficial mutation occasionally for a long time to come. But those throwbacks will become more and more rare as time goes on.)
That's a vast oversimplification, thou
... Show more...As long as people exist who could/would refuse it, and as long as there are enough of them to form a viable breeding population, evolution will bring the species through it.
Waiting for random beneficial mutations usually takes a long, long time. But if the beneficial mutations are already in a population, the population can adapt extremely quickly. If all the individuals without that mutation died off quickly (or at least didn't produce offspring) then that mutation would be in basically 100% of the population within one generation. A rather smaller generation than the previous ones, sure, but they would have less competition and more room to grow. (Though, thanks to recessive genetics, you're likely to still see individuals popping up without that beneficial mutation occasionally for a long time to come. But those throwbacks will become more and more rare as time goes on.)
That's a vast oversimplification, though. Because it's very unlikely that the ability to resist the temptation of 'wireheading' comes down to the presence or absence of a single particular gene.
Since mouse studies have already been done, it would be interesting to do it with a large, long-running experiment on an entire breeding population of mice, to see if there are any mice that are capable of surviving and reproducing under those conditions (and if so, do they show any evidence of evolving to become more resistant?)
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in reply to Powderhorn • • •I had to delete my account on one site this morning for asking a question about this situation.
The exact words I used were “I haven’t used ChatGPT, what will be changed when 4o is gone, and why is it upsetting so many people?” And this morning I woke up to dozens of notifications calling me a horrible human being with no empathy. They were accusing me of wanting people to harm themselves or commit suicide and of celebrating others’ suffering.
I try not to let online stuff affect my mood too much, which is why I just abandoned the account rather than arguing or trying to defend myself. (I got the impression nothing I said would matter.) Not to mention, I was just even more confused by it all at that point.
I guess this at least explains what kind of wasp’s nest I managed to piss off with my comment. And, I can understand why these people are “dating” a chatbot if that’s how they respond when an actual human (and not even one IRL, still just behind a screen) asks a basic question.
... Show more...I had to delete my account on one site this morning for asking a question about this situation.
The exact words I used were “I haven’t used ChatGPT, what will be changed when 4o is gone, and why is it upsetting so many people?” And this morning I woke up to dozens of notifications calling me a horrible human being with no empathy. They were accusing me of wanting people to harm themselves or commit suicide and of celebrating others’ suffering.
I try not to let online stuff affect my mood too much, which is why I just abandoned the account rather than arguing or trying to defend myself. (I got the impression nothing I said would matter.) Not to mention, I was just even more confused by it all at that point.
I guess this at least explains what kind of wasp’s nest I managed to piss off with my comment. And, I can understand why these people are “dating” a chatbot if that’s how they respond when an actual human (and not even one IRL, still just behind a screen) asks a basic question.
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in reply to pleaseletmein • • •Ah, assumers ruining social media, as usual...
If I got this right the crowd assumed/lied/bullshitted that 1) you knew why 4o is being retired, and 2) you were trying to defend it, regardless of being a potential source of harm. (They're also assuming GPT-5 will be considerably better in this regard. I have my doubts).
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in reply to pleaseletmein • • •It's kind of a weird phenomenon that's been developing on the internet for awhile called, "just asking questions". It's a way to noncommittally insert an opinion or try to muddy the waters with doubt, "Did you ever notice how every {bad thing} is {some minority}? I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just asking questions!" In this instance it seems that by even asking for a clear statement of value you are implying there may not be one, which is upsetting.
To be clear, I'm not accusing you of doing this, but you can see how stumbling into a community that takes their own positions as entirely self evident would see any sort of questioning it as an attempt to undermine it. Anything short of full, unconditional acceptance of their position is treacherous.
It's worth thinking about because it's a difficult and nuanced problem. Some things are unquestionable like when I say I love a bad movie or that human rights are inalienable. Still, I should be able to answer sincere questions probing into the whys of that and it really comes down to an assumption of bad faith or not.