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Utah tells porn sites to take the P out of VPNs, and it's their fault that they can't


in reply to Powderhorn

There's absolutely no reason my ISP needs my browsing history.


Don't know what ISP you have or what VPN you're using, but it's just a transfer of trust. Whoever your VPN provider is, they now see everything your ISP previously saw. I host my own VPN servers when I need one, and even then I still have to trust the datacenter operators to not snoop on my DNS requests (almost everything else tends to be encrypted with SSL/TLS by default nowadays)

Also, the "Private" in VPN is about it being for private use, not about privacy

in reply to pcouy

I mean, I'm using Mullvad. I don't have the hardware to host my own VPN in a van, so this is my best approach. Could I host Wireguard locally? Sure. With access to alternating-current power.
in reply to Powderhorn

When I said I host my own, I mean on cheap VPS that cost me way less than 6$/month.

But yeah, mullvad is pretty much the only commercial VPN provider I'd trust more than my ISP

in reply to pcouy

I would counter that I'm saving $1,500 a month by living in a van. As a cost, the VPN is a rounding error.
in reply to Powderhorn

My point was never about the cost anyway. It was about VPNs (commercial or hosted on a cheap VPS) still needing you to trust a third party, and also that the P in VPN does not mean "privacy"
in reply to pcouy

I'd counter that I trust my data going through Sweden ahead of letting an American conglomerate gain access.
in reply to pcouy

almost everything else tends to be encrypted with SSL/TLS by default nowadays


FYI DNS supports DNS-over-HTTPS. You still need to trust the DNS server, but you can run one yourself at least if you're worried about it.

in reply to Powderhorn

I've noticed a sudden spike in the number of websites that send me into a Cloudflare spiral whenever I have my VPN active. I think we might see this happening on a lot more sites soon, unfortunately.
in reply to Powderhorn

Realistically…. How many kids (under 18 in the US) are using vpns for porn? Like this is definitely just another ‘think of the children!’ Deflection to pass horrible spy policy.
in reply to LadyMeow

I think in the case of Utah it’s something beyond just wanting to spy on people. I think the LDS(Mormon) church legitimately wants to stamp out porn all together among it’s members. The first step to that is of course, getting a comprehensive list of everyone viewing porn, via ID collection. Then hand that list over to the LDS church, who can name and shame members they find on it.

Now, they probably will not be able do this everywhere, but, in Utah, it is absolutely with in their power given how much power it has over the state government.

in reply to LadyMeow

Eh, I remember kids using proxy sites to get around school internet filters when I was 14. And now that virtually every Youtuber has a VPN sponsorship, I think that 14-18 range of kids definitely has a sizable chunk who knows what a VPN is and what they could use it for...
in reply to LadyMeow

I don’t understand. You can just google “porn” and go down the results until a site doesn’t immediately bombard you with an ID verification system. How hard is it? There’s an entire fucking world of servers under varying legislation to check. Meanwhile Utah makes up 0.000000000001% of that structure. Utah is in lala land.
in reply to Powderhorn

Just need to tell Utah to go fuck themselves. If you don't operate somewhere you don't need to respect their laws. The fuck are they going to do about it? Got no property there for them to take action against.
in reply to Powderhorn

Get a VPS in Hong Kong. Set up your own point-to-point VPN (OpenVPN, wireguard tunnel) on it. Is the Chinese government spying on you via the VPS stack itself? Sure, probably. But they'll laugh their assess off at a US govt. request to turn over that data.
in reply to teawrecks

They may not have (publicly known) info sharing agreements with the US, but they're not adversaries either. China is.