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Meet UpScrolled, the anti-censorship TikTok alternative


in reply to alyaza [they/she]

It's so common for "anti-censorship" to be code for "Nazi-friendly" that I'm immediately suspicious of any platform that uses that as a selling point.

Well, plus the fact that it's a closed source nonfederated system, so it's just a case of "from the frying pan into another, slightly cooler frying pan"

in reply to Jännät

It's so common for "anti-censorship" to be code for "Nazi-friendly" that I'm immediately suspicious of any platform that uses that as a selling point.


I'm similarly suspicious, but it's not just code for "nazi-friendly" but also crackpots, maladaptives, etc. Rational people who read and say "anti-censorship" in this context know it means that it's not beholden to corporate or government interests. But everyone else seems to want to interpret that as "I can say whatever I want! How dare you mod anything I say?! Freeze-peach, y'all!"

I wish they'd pick a different term for these non-corporate alternatives, but I don't have a better suggestion to offer right now.

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in reply to Jännät

It’s so common for “anti-censorship” to be code for “Nazi-friendly” that I’m immediately suspicious of any platform that uses that as a selling point.


i don't know if it's a function of the ideological bent or just because the gigantic influx of users has totally swamped their moderation, but yes it does have problems with fascists as of writing

in reply to alyaza [they/she]

Gee whiz, imagine my surprise

Edit: they're ostensibly banning trans people ("ostensibly" because it's not like I can verify the claims, not that I don't believe them), so I guess the "platforms shouldn't get to decide who exists" platform has no problem deciding trans people "shouldn't exist"?

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in reply to alyaza [they/she]

A year ago this comment would have gotten deleted from nearly any subreddit. Today it's recognized as fact.
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

It was having problems with this within a week of launch (source: I downloaded it within a week of launch and saw/reported more than one Holocaust denialism post/commenter in that time before I closed the app). So they may be being overloaded again, but from what I heard they hadn't even implemented basic username filtering before this next wave. I didn't say anything at the time bc it was new and I wanted to believe they meant well, but it's been 6 months…
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

Same thing with Rumble, the supposedly censor free YouTube alternative that's actually a maga cesspool.
in reply to Jännät

In this case it seems quite reasonable for their stance to stem from the censorship of posts about palestine on popular social media platforms. Agreed we shouldn’t settle for any more privately owned social media regardless though.
in reply to reallykindasorta

Building a Nazi bar to make sure pro-Palestinian voices are heard seems like a suboptimal solution, though
in reply to Jännät

For sure, Nazis (or their speech patterns anyway) do seem to be specifically against the policy as well though
in reply to Jännät

Agreed. Some censorship is good. Just like some regulation is good in any industry. Otherwise, the worst of the worst will destroy it with propaganda and hate. Censorship of things that are meant solely to hurt others or to spread misinformation are needed.
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in reply to Jul (they/she)

Exactly. It's been proven time and time again that if you have absolutely zero moderation except for blatantly illegal content, you'll eventually be running a Nazi bar.

Although in UpScrolled's case, I'm not sure if they weren't explicitly out to build a Nazi bar since they do seem to have a huge Nazi and antisemitism problem (well, problem for anyone who's not a Nazi anyhow) and they've apparently mass-banned trans people. So this profusion of Nazis might be a "it's a feature and not a bug" scenario, even though their TOS seemingly disallows hate speech.

Also, for an "anti-censorship" platform it's funny that they ban any kind of "adult" content.

in reply to Jännät

In this case, the Nazis are the ones doing the censoring on TikTok in the first place
in reply to Jännät

Yeah, I tried to give it an honest shot. Made an account and opened the Discover page. The very first post was an antisemitic “the Jews are secretly running the world” conspiracy theory post. Whatever, it’s inevitable on an anti-censorship app. Not a great first impression, but I’m willing to shrug it off as a fluke.

Then three or four posts later, there was a blatant “Hitler was right about the Jews and the holocaust wasn’t enough” post, made by an account that was dedicated to glorifying Hitler. Again, this is on the Discover page for a brand new account. Meaning it’s what the algorithm is serving to users by default.

I made another comment about it (with screenshots) a day or two ago. Here is the link.

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in reply to mic_check_one_two

That's… that's terrible. Like I replied to that just a while ago, I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to further radicalisation of Americans if they do actually end up using UpScrolled.

Putting my tinfoil hat on, this actually feels like a reich-wing ploy

in reply to Jännät

Yeah, my linked comment was actually in response to an earlier comment I made, basically saying “this app’s explosive rise in popularity feels astroturfed.” I caught a couple of downvotes for that original comment. But the more I tried using it, the worse it got. It will 100% contribute to the normalization of Nazi viewpoints.
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

There are other TikTok alternatives worth mentioning:

in reply to chromodynamic

That's almost irrelevant though, since very nearly no one is using tiktok (or any other short form video site except maybe Shorts because of how it shows up while browsing regular youtube) via its website. This is Lemmy so I'm sure some nerd here has some weird reason to want to do so, but they're an astronomically tiny minority of users.
in reply to Panini

We are on Lemmy though. It's certainly relevant to me.

I don't need it to be a popular app for others when is not for me.

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in reply to alyaza [they/she]

It claims to be a platform with “no censorship”


So they don't censor CSAM?

in reply to artyom

they're actually more overzealous in terms of policy about nudity and sexualized material than basically any alternative
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

4 trackers ,no thanks
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in reply to alyaza [they/she]

I wonder if Upscroll is one of the 13 known forms of engagement...
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

Why would I want to join a dark pattern social media?
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

The intention may be good, but there is the fediverse and a large set of complete, polished and battle tested open source solutions, why not build on top of that?
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

They’re already banning trans women just for being trans
in reply to compostgoblin

do you have any posts or articles that discuss this? I've heard this referenced a few times but haven't seen examples yet. I'll continue searching but I'd appreciate you can link me to.
in reply to spiderhamster

I saw a post on Mastodon about it, but a cursory search didn’t turn it up. I’ll look a bit more later and see if I can find it
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

It is not enough to talk of an alternative if the underlying structure reinforces centralization. This is so especially when federation protocols are active and seeking adoption.
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

It's a centralized platform. The exact same thing that happened to TikTok will, in time, happen to upscrolled. These people are running from the Schutzstaffel to the Sturmabteilung and expecting different outcomes.
in reply to alyaza [they/she]

Anti-censorship is a dog whistle for nazi bar. This one is already garbage.