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Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent — That Privacy Guy!

Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane.

Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it.
Alexander Hanff (That Privacy Guy! — Hanff & Co. AB)
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Sims
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Sims
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F' everything Google ! Owners and workers alike, scum people..
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Brad
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Brad
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Here's the link from that article that explains how to disable and remove it, since the text of the article doesn't include it.

pureinfotech.com/stop-chrome-g…


Stop Chrome from silently downloading Gemini Nano AI model on Windows 11 - Pureinfotech

Stop Chrome from silently downloading the 4GB Gemini Nano model on Windows 11. Use this Registry fix to block it for good.
Mauro Huculak (Pureinfotech)
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14th_cylon
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14th_cylon
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I am pretty sure that the main way how how to remove it is to uninstall chrome, but i also think that if you cared, you wouldn't be using chrome in the first place
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Jack
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Jack
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The linked page accesses at least 10 other sites for scripts, and is more than 2 MB big. It could have been a 458 byte page:

Remove and prevent 4 GB Gemini nano install into Chrome, on Windows 11:

  1. Backup registry
  2. Start
  3. regedit
  4. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies
  5. right-click Policies, New, Key
  6. confirm Google, Enter
  7. right-click Google, New, Key
  8. confirm Chrome, Enter
  9. right-click Chrome, New, DWORD (32-bit) Value
  10. confirm GenAILocalFoundationalModelSettings, Enter
  11. right-click newly created key, Modify
  12. set value to 1
  13. OK
  14. Restart computer.
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XLE
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XLE
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Unnecessarily long article (which says "4GB" 33 times, and the complete phrase "4GB AI model" ten times)... Once or twice was all I needed.

But the article author(s) came across a good point. If pushed out to ~15% of Chrome users without consent:

  • That'd be 500 million people
  • It would be 2 exabytes of data
  • 120 GWh of energy, equivalent to the annual electricity consumption of about 36,000 average UK households
  • 30,000 tonnes CO2 emitted, roughly the annual emissions of 6,500 cars

And that's just for the initial data push. Models need ✨updates!✨

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Rhaedas
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Rhaedas
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The download is the title and what everyone is latching onto, but few are seeing the other problems, like how it secretly installed that model without user acceptance, how it uses obscurity to hide the model, how it will reinstall if you just delete it (fortunately there's an uninstall process linked in the comments, does that include uninstalling Chrome?). And then how it pretends to be an extra AI thing on the browser but apparently will be used for any searching. Which is more energy use since it isn't local, it's just using the weights in storage.

It's all bad, even if it wasn't AI. It's what malware does.

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FishFace
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FishFace
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I don't buy this energy figure at all - where are you getting it from?

120 GWh / 500 million is 240 Wh per person.
The download is 4GB. Downloaded over a 100 megabit connection, it takes about 5 minutes.
240 Wh / 5 minutes is 2.88 kW.

What equipment is consuming an extra 2.88 kW due to me downloading something?

This sounds like one of those pants-on-head "calculations" about how sending an email consumes five billion gigajoules or whatever. They typically add up the energy usage of a data centre and divide by the number of emails going through it. Is that what's happening here?

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Mothra
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Mothra
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Yup it's exactly as the headline says once you read the article. No clickbait. Also is a thorough and readable post, long but easy to understand even for someone who isn't very tech savvy such as myself.

I guess I have to figure out how to uninstall that now

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gianni
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gianni
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Beyond the disk size, what's wrong with this? Isn't local machine learning better than shipping your data off to some cloud provider? Or is the problem machine learning?
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kureta
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kureta
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The problem, mostly, is that it is installed without informing the user or asking for content and it reinstalls even if you delete it, which is what a malware does. I may not want a local AI work on my laptop on battery while I am working and browsing the internet.
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gianni
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gianni
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To me this seems arbitrary—Chrome contains countless other binary blobs which you have no insight to and cannot consent to. They are part of the application. Chrome contains other machine learning algorithms and features and has for years, but these have been baked-in. You have likely been using "local AI" or machine learning on your laptop battery for quite some time without being explicitly aware of it.

If people don't like these features that's fine, there are lots of alternatives to choose from (personally, I use Helium). But to be upset about this specific instance seems arbitrary to me. And to claim that it's somehow nefarious (i.e. the consent part) seems disingenuous. Consent is granted when the user downloads and begins using Chrome—why would Chrome need additional consent to download/update one of many external components?

Again, I don't use Chrome and I'm not interested in this feature, I just don't see how it's necessarily bad or evil all things considered.


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kureta
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You have likely been using "local AI" or machine learning on your laptop battery for quite some time without being explicitly aware of it.

But to be upset about this specific instance seems arbitrary to me.


I am upset because I am aware of this one. How can I be upset about something I am not even aware of?

why would Chrome need additional consent to download/update one of many external components?


The user should be informed about what they are getting. By that logic Chrome csn also install and run a crypto miner.

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Mothra
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Mothra
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If you read the article it will summarize very succinctly everything wrong with it. It is illegal for a variety of reasons in some places (Europe, California) it's wasteful, it means 4 fucking GB of data unrequested which can be a problem in metered connections in many places. 4GB. This model is not essential for chrome to function as a browser at all, and in all likelihood unless you use it for generating text then you probably are not even using it.
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t3rmit3
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Isn’t local machine learning better than shipping your data off to some cloud provider?


They're absolutely shipping all your local data up to their cloud.

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gianni
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gianni
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It's likely (and one of the reasons I don't use Chrome) but its not the discussion we're having.
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deliriousdreams
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Per Passerby6497's comment above:

The AI Mode pill in the Chrome 147 omnibox is a cloud-backed Search Generative Experience surface - every query the user types into it is sent over the network to Google's servers for processing by Google's hosted models. The on-device Nano model is not invoked by the AI Mode UI flow at all. They are entirely separate code paths - the most visible AI affordance in the browser does not use the local model the user has been silently given, and the features that do use the local model (Help-Me-Write in , tab-group AI suggestions, smart paste, page summary) are buried in textarea-context menus and tab-group right-click menus that the average user will discover, on average, never.


What a double kick to the dick. First, they silently download 4gb to your disk, and they still fucking send your shit to their cloud AI.

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Katherine 🪴
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Katherine 🪴
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Does anyone know if this also applies to Vivaldi? I doubt it but I wanted to check.
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definitemaybe
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definitemaybe
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It won't affect Vivaldi. Vivaldi doesn't automatically ship Chrome code without review.
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