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Age Verification Laws Are Multiplying Like a Virus, and Your Linux Computer Might be Next


As of today, about half of all U.S. states have some form of age verification law around. Nine of those were passed in 2025 alone, covering everything from adult content sites to social media platforms to app stores.

Right now, California's Digital Age Assurance Act (AB 1043) is all the rage right now, which targets not only websites and apps but also operating systems. Come January 1, 2027, every OS provider must collect a user's age at account setup and provide that data to app developers via a real-time API.

Colorado is also working on a near-identical bill, which we covered earlier.

The EFF's year-end review put it more bluntly: 2025 was "the year states chose surveillance over safety." The foundation's concern, which I concur with, is, where does this stop? Self-reported birthday today, government ID tomorrow? There appears to be no limit to these laws' overreach.

in reply to Powderhorn

In my youth I was taught that democracy meant that the government served the people.

What do any of these laws have to do with serving the people? Do they have anything to do with the will of the people?

in reply to schnurrito

Billionaires are people.

They have the will to fuck everything that moves.

in reply to masterofn001

Billionaires certainly are people, but these laws don't even serve billionaires in any meaningful sense, so that's hardly an explanation without more elaboration.
in reply to schnurrito

Well, the billionaires that own age verification and surveillance services have gone from trying their best to stalk to world through tracking and analytics, despite pesky privacy laws, to forcing giant swaths of populations to hand over data by compulsion.

Yeah, they're making a mint off us.

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OK, that's about the elaboration I was looking for...

Somehow I don't think this is the central reason. I think governments are perfectly capable of doing bad things completely without billionaires having an interest in it. It especially doesn't explain things like the California law that will regulate how we can or cannot program operating systems (hint: software code is a form of speech, meaning that this ought to be struck down as a violation of free speech), because no age verification services are involved in that.

in reply to schnurrito

I am Californian and that one snuck past me. I really didn't hear anything about it until recently and I'm pretty pissed.

You can't put the genie back into the lamp on biometrics. We needed real control over outlr digital data and biometrics before this became law. I hope it is repealed somehow, but the elite class don't give a fuck.

As for business vs government, government is scrutinized closer but businesses get away with much more. It's easier to get around red tape to outsource work to businesses than build government infrastructure to do things themselves.

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I really didn’t hear anything about it until recently


Yes, I expressed the same sentiment here: discuss.tchncs.de/post/5595932…

Is our entire information "ecosystem" so broken that we only pay attention to bad things after they've already happened, not before when there is still a chance to stop them?!

in reply to schnurrito

The non-stop flood of bad things happening makes it very difficult to keep up with anything, even the topics that are most important to us. Which makes it all the easier for new local laws that strip away our rights to be slipped past the citizens who care enough to stop them.

The information overload is the system working as intended for those who seek to exploit us.

in reply to schnurrito

The government serves the class that controls production and right now that class is really really concerned about what everyone does when they aren't slaving away for them.
in reply to schnurrito

In my youth I was taught that democracy meant that the government served the people.


In your youth, your teachers lied to you.

in reply to schnurrito

It's serving the will of prudes, religious fruitcakes, inattentive parents, the technologically illiterate, and anyone dumb enough to be taken in by the "think of the children!" Rhetoric of the control-freaks.

Unfortunately this is a rather large constituency.

in reply to FaceDeer

I would find it very sad if they were a majority, anywhere. :(
in reply to schnurrito

More like a vocal minority, I'd guess. Its upto the majority to also be vocal.
in reply to schnurrito

The problem is the silent majority.

And what counts as silent.

Because if you haven't actually demonstrated, talked to, or written (with a letter) to a politician, you're effectively silent.

Talking about it with friends and family and on the internet is tantamount to silence when it comes to influencing politics.

The other side, the raving lunatics who want total surveillance... they are loud as hell.

in reply to schnurrito

I'm assuming you're in the USA. If this a correct assumption, then you're not in a democracy, strictly speaking; but a republic.

don't like this

in reply to 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘

I am not. I am from a country whose constitution starts with the statement that it is a democratic republic.
in reply to driving_crooner

Actually, when being grilled by congress, Mark Zuckerberg proposed exactly this solution: OS level age verification.

It's actually being pushed by social media companies to take the heat and responsibility off of them.

in reply to Powderhorn

Age Verification Laws


The most misleading title ever. They are surveillance laws

in reply to cub Gucci

No, they are censorship laws aimed at preventing young people from accessing certain types of information that specific groups don't want young people learning about, such as their sexuality, concepts like atheism, and safety information regarding drugs.
in reply to Snot Flickerman

No. History taught me one thing only: if they say they want to protect kids, it's never about the kids. It's a slogan that helps to sell unpopular laws
in reply to cub Gucci

Exactly, they have all this already established laws to protect kids, but everyone seem pretty chill about pedofiles
in reply to cub Gucci

If you think blocking access to knowledge about sexuality, atheism, or drugs is actually protecting children and not about a controlling and unpopular law I don't know what to tell you. Because it's clearly not actually intended to protect children as much as it is to block inconvenient information to help indoctrinate children to be compliant and unquestioning.
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in reply to Snot Flickerman

They want to bind your id with the device you use and restricting queer kids from discovering that they're queer is the best thing you have in mind?
in reply to Snot Flickerman

Yeah, I think you're arguing with clouds. This person isn't saying these aren't effects or even objectives of the age verification effort, but it's a little silly to say, "No, this isn't about surveillance, it's about stifling LGBTQ and atheist progression." It's just so tunnel-visioned.

You could've even said it's about centralizing education as a whole and that would've been better encompassing. I agree, that's a bad thing. But it's absolutely not the full picture.

in reply to Powderhorn

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in reply to Snot Flickerman

and I think it's worth noting that a lot of hetero people don;t fit the normative paradigm and anonymity allows for that to be developed enjoyed and explored.
in reply to Snot Flickerman

Also, neurodiversity, mental illness, and basic mental health care. People are discovering they are autistic, ADHDers, etc. They're learning how to prevent depression or how to apply DBT tools (e.g., for emotional regulation, for judging less). It's amazing.
in reply to Snot Flickerman

It also affects subjects like atheism, as the various religious cultures generally do not want people contemplating the idea that there isn't a god, especially not while they're young, they want you long indoctrinated into belief before you can explore different ideas.


This reminds me of a Pakistani person I don't personally know, but someone I know talks to them.

In their hometown, people recite verses from the Quran as part of their religious activities. There's only one problem: the Quran they use is written in Arabic, but everyone there speaks Urdu. People don't actually know what the passages say, just how to say them.

So this person asked them once what the passages say. Why do we read the passages in Arabic instead of Urdu? People here don't know Arabic.

Anyway, he got belted shortly after that.

in reply to TehPers

Wasn't it Vatican II that finally allowed Catholic services in local languages instead of Latin? That really wasn't long ago in the grand scheme.
in reply to Powderhorn

Presumably even if Linux must provide a means of reporting an age, you can always modify that distro to always report the oldest age?
in reply to RedFrank24

Yes

The California law is just "put this column in your DB and make a getAge() call.

in reply to Kairos

sysctl user.legal_bullshit.pretend_age_quote_verification_unquote=99

Watch that land on distros everywhere.

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in reply to Powderhorn

My Linux is not ever going to have any age verification.

I'm not living in those backwards contry and if that push ever comes to shove, there will always be way around it. It's the beauty of open source, no entity is liable to comply.
And we're in the brink of ad-hoc internet which would render that stupid centralized and overgoverned shit to zero.

in reply to Powderhorn

That security guard has a tiny head.
in reply to Powderhorn

The thing about doing age verification at the OS level is the user could just install a crack that rewrites the necessary code. It'll take some heavy DRM type stuff to block that. Possibly hardware support, like a specialised TPM.

No way can that be standardised and then rolled out quickly. If they rush it then it'll be some proprietary power grab.

The alternative is each website and app does it separately which will be spotty and provide endless security breaches.

It'll be a shitshow either way.

in reply to Rimu

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in reply to Mesa

You're not overlooking anything. You hit the nail on the head, these laws are about surveillance and censorship and that's why they're being implemented in the worst and least privacy respecting way possible. The next step is to make sure it's impossible to circumvent by enforcing locked bootloaders and secure boot. Phones are 90% of the way there already and it probably wouldn't be too hard for them to fuck up the desktop/laptop side of things either.
in reply to Mesa

The issue still remains that with a check like this, who is to say what content need be age-restricted now lies with the state. They could (and will) restrict content and information that I think my kid should have access to, and it will be a bit all-or-nothing.

Provided the above, I'd say the centralizing of information is the chief concern @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone.

I don't know what a satisfying and achievable solution looks like here with that considered.

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in reply to Mesa

It's a bit crazy to think about how things have changed. When I was a kid, the only computer in the house that was online was in the office/living room, so my parents could walk past at any time and see what I was up to. This was in the MSN beta days, and I was usually in teen chat, which, given the beta, meant that we were all teens whose parents had gotten prerelease Win95 discs (actually, in my case, it was the head of my high school math department who "loaned" me his CD).

As a result, it was pretty chill. Having your phone at all hours and no oversight seems an absurd situation.

in reply to Player101010

I couldn't find any threads on the forum about this. I would like to know how/if Arch will handle this.
in reply to Powderhorn

Unfortunately, it falls right into the whole authoritarian taking control, surveillance, and manipulation push that became not only pretty open in activities but also pretty transparent through published findings and contextualized previously published materials. Seems likely that it's all connected.
in reply to Powderhorn

This is not going to work people will distribute linux distros on mesh networks like libremesh or meshtastic networks.
in reply to danielhanrahantng

I don't think Meshtastic would work for that with a 200char limit.

Usenet and torrents otoh, already can't stop that. Not to mention lying is still a thing. I'm 136 years old so I should know.

in reply to ArcaneSlime

Me and the other 99% of Steam users allegedly born on January 1st agree with you
in reply to Powderhorn

Wait, so instead of me telling every website I'm 90, I'll tell my OS I'm 90 and the sites will query that, and this somehow works better? I'm not 90 btw, so all I'm doing is just changing who I'm lying to from zyn.com to Fedora? Great plan.
in reply to ArcaneSlime

They know people will do this. It's only stage 1. After this system is integrated, they will complain that people are misusing the feature and it needs to be upgraded to ID or biometrics. Boiling the frog.
in reply to FreddiesLantern

Overkill. Just find the illegal no-age-collection ISO. Installing with your middle finger raised is optional, but recommended.
in reply to Powderhorn

Age verification today. What other BS surveillance info tmr?
in reply to Powderhorn

The most practical solution is probably to "not sell Linux in California anymore". I guess distributions could geofence the iso download page for plausible deniability and then that's that, right?
in reply to TehPers

I knew someone was going to come back with Red Hat. I just didn't expect it to be you!
in reply to Powderhorn

Hey even I use Linux daily.

Actually, I'm not really sure why "even I" should be shocking. I write code for a living. Surely I should be using Linux once in a while.

Anyway RHEL is probably the only Linux distro I can think of that costs money and comes with support. The major cloud providers sometimes have their own Linux distros they use as well (looking at you, Amazon) and you can argue they are selling Linux, but not as directly as RHEL does.

in reply to TehPers

I'd like to go back to KDE Neon, but it doesn't play nice with thermals on my Surface.

(and I totally expect you to be a Linux user ... why haven't you bragged about using Arch yet?)

in reply to Powderhorn

why haven't you bragged about using Arch yet?


Well Manjaro is Arch-based, but it feels like cheating to say that. Anyway, I used Manjaro, btw.

in reply to Powderhorn

The offical linux shop, obviously -- though your local PC sales/repair shop can probably order you a copy. I understand that Linyos Torovoltos grew up under communism and originally couldn't legally sell Lunix, but the Soviets lost the cold war decades ago.

I'd rather spend a few bucks for a legitimate copy than risk installing some virus infested illegal version off some sketchy website.

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in reply to oatscoop

I went to your second link and I think it gave me a virus. I keep having these verbal tics now.
in reply to KyuubiNoKitsune

Oh no, that's the first phase.

You need to get your computer to an A+ certified tech and have your OS reinstalled ASAP. If you delay you're looking at a lifetime of buying old Thinkpads off the Internet.

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in reply to Powderhorn

I have an official Ubuntu CD, but I think it was just a donation, or maybe a "pay shipping" thing.
in reply to Powderhorn

The problem with Linux for the government is that it has a unique ability for being easily modified by users. You sure can force some very popular distros to follow these laws but you cannot force less popular distros made by enthusiasts to comply. Especially if those enthusiasts live not in your country.
in reply to Powderhorn

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in reply to Powderhorn

The very day I hear that my os is asking people their age is the day I find a different one.
in reply to Powderhorn

No, it mightn't. Err, won't.
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in reply to Powderhorn

in reply to korazail

I have a script on my Github that process an exported Wordpress backup to Markdown files. Am I supposed to age gate this once these rules take effect? How would I even do that? Even if there was some sort of Python library to age gate the script, easy to use, drop it in, its a script, literally anyone could comment it out or delete it.
in reply to Powderhorn

this is the pipeline to fully ~~trusted~~ restricted computing.

Linux couldn't possibly comply properly with these new restrictions? Consumer grade prebuilts and laptops now only run "certified" operating systems, just like most mobile devices.

Surveillance and censorship are the ends, "age" (identity) verification is the means.

in reply to Powderhorn

One should be able to skip it when creating an account and then it should default to Jan 1st 1970 on all open source OS's to provide anonymity.
in reply to Powderhorn

The population of the united States has suddenly jumped in age to 54. They don't give Fuchs.