Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
Now Eurosky is making progress as they roll out their own PDS.
I see more independent infrastructure springing up on atp.fyi/network, including AppViews.
For anyone hoping that we'll get another wave of people coming to the fediverse once Bluesky folds/enshittifies, that might not necessarily be the case as people will have more options to stay in the Atmosphere.
Stefan Bohacek
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in reply to Roni Rolle Laukkarinen • • •@rolle I guess if the fediverse keeps pushing people away, and ATProto gains wide enough adoption, and it becomes easy to run your whole stack, I might just look into that.
Until then, I'll have to stick with the fediverse, as that's the only truly grassroots option.
Lentävä Kalakukko
in reply to Stefan Bohacek • • •@rolle
I just don't get the whole "fediverse pushing people away" angle, at all. Care to elaborate?
There are millions of users and thousands of servers on the fediverse. All kinds of people, from all over the world. It's not one homogenous mass "pushing people away" or "being unwelcoming". You just couldn't make that happen even if you tried.
Stefan Bohacek
in reply to Lentävä Kalakukko • • •@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
fedidb.com
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The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
logicmag.io/policy/blackness-i…
privacy.thenexus.today/start-m…
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
@rolle
5 things white people can do to start making the fediverse less toxic for Black people
Jon (The Nexus Of Privacy)Lentävä Kalakukko
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We're probably speaking past each other.
The fediverse still isn't some homogenous blob where what you said applies universally. It's all down to individual instances and their moderators.
Granted, the largest instances probably have the worst time dealing with moderation.
But I have a hard time seeing @rolle walk past bad behaviour on the instance he runs, ditto for the org that runs my instance.
Stefan Bohacek
in reply to Lentävä Kalakukko • • •@pahoittelemme A lot of the problematic behavior is insidious, though.
Asking Black people to prove there is racism. Asking women to "just block" every single individual harasser. Telling people to "just" stop using Big Tech products. To add alt text. Not acknowledging some of the good things they're already doing and demanding perfection. Tone policing. Demanding very specific use of CWs.
All of these people are just trying to be helpful, right? Not really breaking any "rules".
@rolle
Lentävä Kalakukko
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in reply to Lentävä Kalakukko • • •@pahoittelemme Kind of a moot point. Bluesky has people. Twitter has people. So why do so few people want to be here?
You can't just attribute this to bad UX. People on Bluesky complain about not being able to edit posts, create private accounts, blocks being public, all kinds of UX problems.
It's not even an issue of having to pick a server, look at all the people who figured out that part, and now they're gone.
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Some will say that fediverse is "too complicated", but we've seen people install VPNs to get around TikTok bans and age restrictions, and now they're talking about migrating between PDSes and AppViews on Bluesky.
It's the culture here.
@rolle
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in reply to Stefan Bohacek • • •I don't have that grim of a sentiment that Stefan has, I'll always root for the Fediverse. However, he has a point, because in retrospect the whole reason Bluesky's ATProto was born was this:
"The AP community has always been somewhat suspicious of Bluesky, for reasons that are understandable. AP’s community is volunteer driven and the users joined to escape Twitter. So, here we come, a startup funded by Twitter, with strong opinions on how the tech should be done. I’ve heard concerns that we’d “embrace, extend, & extinguish.” I’ve heard concerns that we’d force through changes that people don’t want by dint of being a funded company. You can criticize us for going a different direction but I think it’d have been a difficult collaboration if we chose to use AP, especially since we weren’t willing to compromise on some of the decisions above."
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... Show more...I don't have that grim of a sentiment that Stefan has, I'll always root for the Fediverse. However, he has a point, because in retrospect the whole reason Bluesky's ATProto was born was this:
"The AP community has always been somewhat suspicious of Bluesky, for reasons that are understandable. AP’s community is volunteer driven and the users joined to escape Twitter. So, here we come, a startup funded by Twitter, with strong opinions on how the tech should be done. I’ve heard concerns that we’d “embrace, extend, & extinguish.” I’ve heard concerns that we’d force through changes that people don’t want by dint of being a funded company. You can criticize us for going a different direction but I think it’d have been a difficult collaboration if we chose to use AP, especially since we weren’t willing to compromise on some of the decisions above."
github.com/bluesky-social/atpr…
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Already a decentralized federated protocol
dmbr0 (GitHub)Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
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in reply to Roni Rolle Laukkarinen • • •@rolle Yeah, I don't know, I'm not a big fan of LLMs/GenAI, but people who viciously attack each individual user one by one instead of calling their representative and demanding stricter environmental protection laws and labor laws don't come across as serious people, to say the least.
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in reply to Ébio • • •@eberfreitas I think it's a combination of a more relaxed audience on there, and tools for managing harassment, like reply controls.
I'm sure there's plenty of harassment on there, just like there has been on Twitter. But at least you can lock your replies when things get out of hand, and move on.
@pahoittelemme @rolle
Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
in reply to Stefan Bohacek • • •I hope these get implemented some day:
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