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Trump uses Correspondents’ Dinner shooting to justify expanding spying powers as deadline nears



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in reply to Salamence

Even their bullshit false flag operations are pathetic.
in reply to sns

I'm not usually in on conspiracies, but this one really doesn't add up. Seems reeeeal weird to say the least.

Apparently they don't actually have any proof the guy fired a gun (there was a spent shell in the shotgun, but the admin has said the shot ss officer was possibly friendly fire? You'd think they could tell a shotgun in bulletproof plate from 9mm impact...)

We don't have a name on the ss officer that was shot or any evidence he was shot at all.

Coordinated "tHiS iS wHy We NeEd tHe BaLlRoOm" campaign by grifters

Response to move trump was real slow despite having had 2 prior assassination attempts made.

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in reply to ALoafOfBread

despite having had 2 prior assassination attempts made


Which also makes the fact that someone was able to sprint through a security checkpoint very strange. You can’t even do that at Disneyland

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in reply to FauxLiving

I don't "know" for certain yet. But they have been really cagey about even answering whether Allen fired any shots. And the one guy they originally reported him as having shot with buckshot to the chest, now they can't determine whether that was actually friendly fire.

These guys were all packing pistols. Iirc from photos there were some guys with ARs.

Do you think you could easily identify the effects of a shotgun firing buckshot at relatively close range from that of a pistol? I bet you could. It's really easy. Bunch of little holes creating 1 really big hole if close enough? Shotgun. 1 small hole? Pistol/rifle.

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in reply to FauxLiving

Regarding ballistics evidence, I am talking about one very specific thing that they have explicitly refused to comment on: whether he actually shot that guy. Even in the charging documents, about him discharging a firearm in the commission of a violent attmepted crime or whatever it's called, they still don't say that he discharged it at the ss officer.

I take your point, but I am not wildly speculating. Them witholding evidence in a very specific way is itself evidence as it implies a possibility (that the shotgun was not fired at the ss officer).

I'm not yet saying that certainly didn't happen, just that we're hearing different things from different sources who were present, the charging docs, etc. that do not line up in the way you expect.

That opens the door for questions around what really went down. Nothing definitive, but it raises questions.

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in reply to ALoafOfBread

I take your point, but I am not wildly speculating. Them witholding evidence in a very specific way is itself evidence as it implies a possibility (that the shotgun was not fired at the ss officer).


Yeah, I understand. I did think it was odd how they were wording their statements, it made me think it was friendly fire as well.

I just think the 'staged' conspiracies are just complete nonsense.

There are plenty of unknowns, but to take all of those unknowns and fill in the blanks with the same 'it was staged' conspiracy that has appeared after every assassination attempt doesn't help anyone understand the situation, it only creates a cloud of misinformation so it's harder to determine what is true or not.

in reply to sns

But that's worse! We're letting these people end the world. These guys. Mouth breathing morons.
in reply to Salamence

Totally not the kind of thing he would do if this was in fact, staged.
in reply to Salamence

ah, so there was an ulterior motive to his staged "assassination" attempt. I should have known! there's always an ulterior motive when dumpy is involved.
in reply to Salamence

Yes, it must be staged.

As we all know, our President typically never tries to exploit situations for his own benefit and often observes a period of quiet contemplation before addressing issues in a calm, selfless, and reasonable manner.

The fact that he's out here shamelessly trying to use this situation to push agenda items while relentlessly posting on social media is strong evidence!

/s

This conspiracy nonsense is getting old, live in reality not in a fact-free world of made up stories which confirm your own biases. If you want that there's plenty of room in MAGA/QANON/AntiVaxxer/Contrails/FlatEart land.

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in reply to FauxLiving

More than one thing can be true.

Trump could have staged it.

He could be taking advantage of the situation to push an agenda.

Both can be true at the same time.

The reason so many people are quick to believe is because Trump has a history of projection where he accuses other people of doing things that he himself would or has done. And Trump and his followers have accused so many others of false flag or staged events.

CONSTANTLY

So when you have a history of a guy who's face shows up under "psychological projection" in the dictionary, constantly accusing others of things, you can credibly believe that he would do those things himself.

I'm not saying this was a staged event, and I have no idea of the reality. But I 100% believe this is a thing he would do.

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in reply to ragepaw

Trump could have staged it.


Sure.

When you put 'could have' in front of something you can describe any situation that isn't explicitly ruled out. Including absolutely crazy and wildly improbable scenarios that are impossible to disprove.

This guy 'could have' been a clone dropped off by aliens a few days before the attack. We haven't seen anything that rules it out.

This incident 'could have' not happened at all. Maybe the devices and social media feeds of you and all of the people you socialize with are being modified as you read them creating the illusion that an event took place while the rest of the world goes on oblivious.

You 'could have' not existed until this very moment when you suddenly popped into existence with your brain built in such a way as to have memories of your life that never actually happened.

When you use 'could have' you open the door to fantasy scenarios. So yes, it could have been staged... by extradiminsional beings for which Trump is only their 3-diminsional form.

in reply to FauxLiving

What a nonsensical point.

Since you like links;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio…

"form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that following the logic of a contrary proposition or argument would lead to absurdity"

I need to add

You are setting up a false equivalence. There is a vast difference between a baseless, unprovable fantasy (like alien clones) and evaluating a public figure's actions based on a well-documented history of psychological projection.

When someone constantly accuses their opponents of staging events and has a documented history of projection, it creates a lack of trust. The reason people question the narrative is because of that history, not because they are entertaining fantasies about the Matrix or alien clones. Equating a discussion about someone's known behavioral patterns to science fiction doesn't address the core issue of trust.

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in reply to ragepaw

What about this point is nonsense?

When you put ‘could have’ in front of something you can describe any situation that isn’t explicitly ruled out.


Saying something 'could have' happened isn't saying anything useful. It's like using the phrase 'some people say' to state a position. You can find ANY kind of argument said by some people. It's a weasel phrase. Anything which is possible, that isn't explicitly ruled out by the evidence, 'could have' happened.

As far as your wiki link. reductio involves assuming the contrary of a claim and showing that it leads to absurdity or contradiction, thereby proving the original claim.

I didn't assume the contrary of their claim nor was I trying to prove their original claim (I agreed that it 'could have' happened).

I was taking the same premise ("could have") and showing that you can extend it to other fantastical scenarios. This is not formal reductio, it is a demonstration of how a weak modal standard ("could have") licenses absurdities.

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in reply to FauxLiving

A conspiracy is just a group of people deciding to do something in secret. They do, in fact, happen all the time.
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in reply to FauxLiving


Court filing omits claim Allen shot Secret Service officer, contrasting with earlier official statements

Security footage reviewed by Washington Post shows no evidence Allen fired at officers

Source of officer's gunshot wound remains unclear

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in reply to Salamence

I'm confused. It hasn't expired yet, so it's still active... If the shooting still happened, didn't he just prove it's actually not working? Sounds like the perfect example as to why we should rid of this nonsense to me.
in reply to Salamence

Shooting was fake:

reuters.com/legal/government/l…

Is this even in the news in America? Or did the media cover it up.

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in reply to 1984

article has been deleted.. The plot thickens...
in reply to 1984

hmm today I'm getting "access denied" instead of a 404 like yesterday. I am in Europe, too but maybe Reuters doesn't like my VPN.
in reply to flint

Yeah could be. But yes, that article was on their front page for about 30 minutes, then other news replaced it. And to me, this is an article that should create a massive reaction in the public. But nope, nobody cares.
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in reply to Salamence

in reply to Salamence

The pedophile class spying on us what a joke. They are the criminals.
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