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Gmail can read your emails and attachments to train its AI, unless you opt out


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in reply to RodgeGrabTheCat 🇨🇦🏴‍☠️

You can have an Google Account without GMail. Drop GMail was the easiest step in my way to degoogle.
in reply to RodgeGrabTheCat 🇨🇦🏴‍☠️

Well yeah but then the mails your receive from Gmail users or the ones you send to are still captured unless they have opted out. Which you can't see without asking.
in reply to RodgeGrabTheCat 🇨🇦🏴‍☠️

True but we were talking about Google here that's why I mentioned Gmail. But yes with Microsoft it's the same. And together they control most of the email accounts in the world.
in reply to Babalugats

And the EU is dropping its protection against unwanted AI training 🤬🤬🤬
in reply to onlooker

Yes they are changing gdpr so that training AI on user data becomes "legitimate use" and won't need opt in approval (though there may or may not be an opt out(

noyb.eu/en/digital-omnibus-eu-…

Also many other principles are being removed. It's basically a surrender to Trump and his big tech buddies

in reply to Babalugats

It is mindblowing to me that anyone would think you can really opt out and they will respect that.
in reply to 14th_cylon

Even if they did, your messages are going to be scanned via your recipients who use Gmail without opting out.
in reply to monovergent

This is a very clever catch and very true. I didn't think of this.
in reply to monovergent

Quite true, but that should not be a reason to use Gmail, anyway.

More so if you have friends who are not on Gmail.

in reply to 14th_cylon

if anything, i do stuff like this to withdraw my consent.
in reply to Babalugats

Are you surprised?
More than 10 years ago, when you bought a plane ticket and used Gmail, without opening the email, it added the date and time of the flight to your calendar with a reminder...

If the product is free, you are the product.

in reply to Zicoxy3

This is an actually useful feature though. I used to have this same setup with dovecot&nextcloud (show invites in the calendar automatically).
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in reply to Zicoxy3

Okay but that was very useful and generally beneficial
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

Reading emails and content to train AI also has benefits. Better results for its users...
in reply to Bosht

Just do it step by step. I left everything US this year and changing email accounts was definitely the most tedious. But in the end I took my time with it. Switching 3 accounts per day was alright. :) Just start with the most important accounts and change the others when you need them.
in reply to Businesskasper

Appreciate the optimistic positivity. Honestly pretty ready to pull the bandaid at this point I just know it'll be a process.
in reply to Babalugats

and let's be clear: they always read your emails. the difference here now is the llm training.
in reply to Babalugats

When you do this they also turn off spellcheck and categories lmfao.
in reply to Babalugats

Consider 9/10ths of my Gmail messages are probably written by AI, I’m not worried.
in reply to Babalugats

The instructions suggest turning off features in two apps I don’t use.

Does this mean people only using webmail aren’t having their messages used for training, or just that they can’t opt out?

[edit] malwarebytes has updated their report— NONE of those settings is related to training data. This whole story was based on a misunderstanding of the settings.

This entry was edited (2 weeks ago)
in reply to Babalugats

This shit should be strictly opt-in. As much as I hate overbearing governments, they should've stepped in and made it illegal to use already collected data for a new purpose without first obtaining permission. What about people who lost access to their accounts or who've died or something?
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in reply to Babalugats

I mail a lot of gmail users. Is there a plugin to filter all my outgoing email to inject 0-width Unicode or replace all chars with a visibly equivalent character to prevent LLM training on my data, as I am not a GMail user?