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Germany are no longer against chat control - (German article)


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in reply to Babalugats

So if I setup my own private chat service, I'd be breaking the law already?
in reply to Phoenixz

That's gotta be impossible to enforce, right?
What are they gonna do, throw behind bars everyone who encrypts a text file?
Scary stuff.
in reply to filcuk

selective enforcement could give them way to give you effectively a life sentence for breaking this and that law
in reply to filcuk

The setup is everyone is guilty, thereby absolute control is attained. Nobody cares until we see this abused, and the scale of the murder far exceeds all prior forms of historical democide.

I very much hope I am wrong.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

in reply to Babalugats

you won't see them stop trying until you guys depose them.
in reply to ☂️-

But while they're still serving their elected terms, and seem adamant to push this through, the least we can all do is push for their devices to be scanned too, if it has to go through.
in reply to ☂️-

No, I just wasn't sure if you knew how the proposal is attempted.
There are far too many to simply remove to stop it.
The majority will still continue their term, and if with this mindset, could still push it through.

A good way to help them rethink it, is to have their devices scanned too.
The only way this is going forward, is if they think that they are exempt from scanning.

in reply to Babalugats

they simply won't let that happen. if they would rethink it at all, they would have done it the first couple of attempts.

you guys will have to move on this if you want to stop it.

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They have already rethought it a few times. The changes made have been to encourage the politicians to vote yes.
One of the biggest, of not the biggest is to make them exempt from scanning.
Enough questions in the right places and at the right times, would not give them any choice.

How could they defend adding an exemption clause for themselves into such an invasion of privacy.

in reply to Babalugats

they would not be trying again if they did.

you won't be saved by the very same kinds of bureaucrats pushing this, man.

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they would not be trying again if they did


It's not the bureaucrats pushing it that are the problem, Hummelgaard is embedded so far up his own ass that nothing could change his mind to the realities of what he's proposing.

It's convincing the swing voters that he's changing nothing other than the wording, but also that the general public, when made aware en-masse, would not allow the politicians to exempt themselves from this.

in reply to Babalugats

As frustrating as this escalation is, it also signals they are losing and becoming desperate.
in reply to Babalugats

As long as they celebrate voluntary chat contol as a victory and shut up about it, I'm fine with that.

But they will always return to wanting more eventually.

in reply to Babalugats

Jfc how is it legal for polititians to push this shit again and again and again?!

Give it a rest

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It reminds me of when Obamacare passed in the US, and the Republicans tried to repeal it over 70 times in the first seven years.

I genuinely think there needs to be a rule that when something fails to pass (or be repealed), there needs to be a decent 'cooling off' period before it can be attempted again. Passing wildly unpopular legislation by just spamming it over and over again until everyone gets tired of fighting it is no basis for a system of laws IMO.

in reply to Babalugats

So, which politicians are suddenly surprisingly wealthier for no apparent reason?

Totally not an illegal backroom deal somewhere

in reply to gwl

Epstein proved it can be all on gmail and nothing will happen