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Some Mullvad VPN customers tunnel for exit after co-founder donates millions to populist party


in reply to floofloof

But he profits from mullvad and your purchase contributes to these policies...
in reply to StumblingWasabi

It's not about the Nazi himself, it's about him using our money to further Nazi goals.
in reply to StumblingWasabi

Yeah, but our money is going into his pocket and thus funding Nazis, so that's hardly relevant to the issue.
in reply to floofloof

Idk, we seem to draw arbitrary lines for different companies. I still buy gasoline despite the horrible things the oil industry has done and is continuing to do. A VPN company providing a good anonymous service having a CEO donating to a right-wing candidate is pretty small beans by comparison
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in reply to MasterNerd

But it is still beans and people have the right to choose and the donation was significant.
in reply to oneser

Yes, it’s not a 1000$ donation in the privacy of his home (which is a questionable thing, but imho indeed not a Mullvad issue), but millions while openly flirting with nazis? No thanks.
in reply to oneser

Exactly if I recall he supplied the bulk of their funding, that's very significant
in reply to MasterNerd

a vpn costs $12; a new ev not owned by a shitty fascist costs $50,000
in reply to katy ✨

Yenno you probably meant to say built but owned is still true. Teslas are such nightmare cars.
in reply to Vendetta9076

They are so incredibly unsafe that I'm still baffled that they're allowed on the road at all.
in reply to Malyca

I don't know much about the safety of them, just the unrepairability and the technology that makes them super dystopian. What makes them so unsafe? Besides the whole "ev batteries make fire" thing
in reply to Vendetta9076

The mechanical door is hidden and it's hard to find in an emergency, you could be trapped inside. Also some of them have "bulletproof windows" which make it difficult for rescue workers to break through and save people. There was that billionaire that accidentally reversed into her pond and couldn't get out, lots of stories like that. The cybertruck is basically a steel knife on wheels, threatening to slice up whatever unfortunate pedestrian it hits. These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.
in reply to Malyca

Also the Cybertruck frunk will try to cut your fingers off if your fingers aren't bananas.
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in reply to katy ✨

New EVs are something like $10k more expensive than comparable ICE vehicles, so there are some Chevrolet and Nissan models for ~$30k. The divide is probably even closer for used.
in reply to MasterNerd

Mullvad is a premium VPN costing much more than alternatives and it doesn't have promotions. This would be like paying top dollar to tank at Chevron.

The privacy VPN company which ran entirely on its reputation has now destroyed that very reputation at lightning speed because their CEO decided to publicly donate to a Nazi party

in reply to snoons

mfw i'm an apathetic centrist asshole


"apathetic" and "asshole" are redundant. You can just write "i'm a centrist" and we can deduce those accompanying qualities

in reply to MasterNerd

The point of the VPN is trusting the exit node owner. People aren't going to trust when the one controlling the exit node is making large donations to a nazi party
in reply to MasterNerd

What non-shitty options are there for gas? None. It's not like I can refine my own, bub.

At least with vpns we ostensibly have options

in reply to floofloof

I'll bet he's playing the long game, support party that limits expression of free ideas, more VPN users.
in reply to floofloof

Any suggestions for a similarly priced, similar quality alternative for windows and Android?
I tried Nord before I switched to Mulvad and it was worse, don't want to go back to that
in reply to robotmonsterplanet

In which ways did you find Nord worse? I found Nord faster than Mullvad and better at spoofing my location in different countries for streaming services.

Proton VPN is probably the first other one that springs to mind as offering privacy comparable to Mullvad. Its CEO was criticized last year for making approving comments about some things Trump was doing in the USA, but it was mostly about opportunities to challenge big tech companies, and he claimed not to be a MAGA supporter in general. There was no evidence, as far as I know, of him donating to right-wing organizations.

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in reply to floofloof

Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it's supposed to.

I haven't found an alternative that works well for me in Linux other than mullvad unfortunately. And I really don't want to give them my money.

I sent proton a nastygram but they don't seem to care about the Linux client at all.

Also both their gui and cli apps have dependencies on Gnome, and installing gnome fucked up my remote login setup. It's insane to me that even the cli relies on gnomes keychain

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in reply to dreamkeeper

I don't know much about these things, but if Proton uses standard protocols it ought to be possible to connect without using their own client.
in reply to floofloof

It can be done with wireguard but that doesn't solve the killswitch issue. I'd have to write my own script or something.
in reply to dreamkeeper

Proton vpn is pretty good, except on Linux where the client is horrendous. The Killswitch is very unreliable there. When it fails, it sends your machine right back to the internet instead of blocking the connection completely like it’s supposed to.


I have a paid proton email level, which gives me (I think?) one active VPN tunnel to use.

I tried it out and it works fine with the standard openvpn client on linux. I always set up my own killswitch, which is easy with ufw. You block all traffic except allow the VPN interface and IP. Bulletproof.

But what I really want is wireguard! I didn't know I wanted it, til I tried it. It's a lot nicer IMO than openvpn.

in reply to FineCoatMummy

Hmm, maybe I can try the ufw approach then. Wish I knew about that before I installed gnome. Thanks for the tip.
in reply to dreamkeeper

YW!

Here's what mine looks like, but I'm redacting the tunnel IPs and port numbers. You might have to add an allow for DNS in there depending on your VPN,

xx.xx.xx.xx xxxxx    ALLOW OUT   Anywhere   <-- the VPN endpoint IP and port
Anywhere             ALLOW OUT   Anywhere on XXXXXXX <-- the interface name
Anywhere             DENY OUT    Anywhere   <-- block all but the VPN tunnel
in reply to floofloof

The speed was the main thing for me with Nord. Very slow a lot of the time. And I didn't like the weird/scammy feeling renewal prices. I found Mulvad much smoother in general.
Nord might be better now, though. That was my experience from about 7 years ago
in reply to Ankkuli

I’ve been using airVPN for years and have never had speed issues. I will agree with the other comment on their UI/UX though, it’s straight out of the late 90’s/early 00’s. But once you’ve got it setup you don’t ever have to deal with their website.
in reply to robotmonsterplanet

The critical part is: how many supposed "quality" alternatives have been proven not to do any logging? Mullvad has been proven to be solid. They were raided and had jolly little to hand over to authorities on their customers.

How many of the other VPN services can say that about themselves?

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in reply to robotmonsterplanet

I'm trying out ivpn, and find it a viable alternative so far (comparing a Mullvad Wireguard config vs. ivpn app, on resp. Linux & Android)
in reply to robotmonsterplanet

There are not any.

If your use case doesn’t prioritize your own safety then tell me what it is and I can help you figure something out.

in reply to robotmonsterplanet

I've found Nord to be good, ther Linux support has also picked up. I've never used Mullvad though
in reply to floofloof

I run a Tailscale network on my devices and I use Mullvad exit nodes, I have found that to be an extremely frictionless setup especially running on my family’s iOS devices. What are my alternatives now, I can’t seem to find anything that is as easy/practical for my setup and for non-technical users.
in reply to Waphles

I’m all over the other recent thread telling people there isn’t one. Especially for what you describe there isn’t one.

I have used mullvad in a similar way and can’t recommend anything else for it.

I can recommend the book aesthetics of resistance to help apply balm to the soul of a person who wants to switch.

in reply to whatiswrongwithyou

"aesthetics"? Wheat and chaff, bro.

If there's an alternative that doesn't empower a nazi, although a bit less convenient, it's a no-brainer switch.

in reply to SocialistVibes01

It’s a famous historical novel about the stuff people did in europe around the time of ww2.

The book is kinda big and complex but one of the things that stuck out to me is all the ways people’s different beliefs were compromised in order to accomplish different goals sometimes as imperative as survival.

It’s a pretty good book.

Anyway, like I said, there is not an alternative. If a person doesn’t actually need a bulletproof vpn then some other services might work if that person is careful about using them.

in reply to Waphles

Same here. Just recently set this up. Bummed about the news.
in reply to floofloof

What a shitshow. After their blog post, anyone who didn't know, now they know. LOL. Majestic performance XD.