Graphene really is the next best thing. If you can get your hands on a used Pixel or splurge for a new one, you won't regret converting. At least until there's a production-ready gnuPhone
I don't really understand why Pixel is that evryone likes/they support. I can't accept the fact that there is no external sd card support. I believe I am getting old because I am very stuck on this point, even more than the headphone jack.
Nevermind I just saw Motorola is actually making a deal with gaphene OS. They were my next future phone with sd cards and even styluses- if this goes through, can't wait!
I also like having expanded storage. But if you actually care about privacy?
You want the minimum amount of data on your phone at any given time. Your recent camera roll, any cached music and apps, and that is really it. Everything should be offloaded to your private storage ASAP
Because for as shit as google and apple are? You can also remote wipe those devices. less effective if it is a government agent that has it, but it is a thing. And, depending on the storage setup, that sd card might be raw dogging it to begin with.
I understand sd card is a security risk. But you don't have to use it. The utility is the key. I'm just 100% against corporations enshittificating their products so you pay hundreds more for a 50$ part.
It shouldn't be difficult for a custom ROM like GrapheneOS to make the user explicitly allow a microSD card to be mounted if that would cause any security issues.
And welcome to software development. Every feature needs time (money), engineers (money), and testing (money). With most testing continuing in perpetuity because any pull request could break it.
And when you add on that graphene is a nonprofit baked FOSS project... Well, if it is as simple as you think it is then get to making a pull request, I guess?
It is because there are hardware security features that most other Android phones do not support and Graphene OS is going for maximum security and privacy. Besides, they're coming out with their own hardware by partnering with Motorola shortly.
Pixels are the main target of aftermarket ROMs because they are reference Android devices with highly available unlocked developer modes. Most companies producing phones do things like add propriety changes that require substantial workarounds for relatively basic hardware functionality and make it much more difficult to even install an aftermarket ROM.
Really this is all a consequence of capitalism itself and the need to lock in ecosystems to establish controlled markets (allowing for controlling one's own profit). Every phone could be fully unlockable and hackable by the end user, but companies specifically prevent this in order to maximize their own profits.
Yeah but apple actually takes care of its customers. They are one of the few ones that is exactly what it seems, and isn't expensive or cheap. Most people saying apple devices are overpriced simply aren't the target demographic for the products.
Bullshit. Upgrading from 1 TB of internal storage to 2 TB on a laptop is not a $250 expense. Before the memory crisis, I could have bought a brand new M.2 SSD with the full 2 TB for less than that.
I did say before the memory crisis. It's not a bad deal now comparatively with everything else being overpriced, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple hardware is itself overpriced.
I can't accept the fact that there is no external sd card support.
OK, this is going to sound dismissive, and I really don't mean it to be. But why?
For data transfer, you can still use the USB port (I do it all the time). Other than that, there's more than enough storage available onboard for any reasonable amount of usage. I don't even really keep anything critical on my device at all, so what there is is kind of overkill already.
I just don't understand the need for an SD card with storage being as plentiful now as it is. I want to understand.
I'm a data hog. Storage is cheap and it should be available on my phone also. People always saying physical Media is important, and most of the time they tink of cds and dvds. I use my sd cards for physical Media sorage. I used my camera and accidentally recorded 40 gigs of video. With external card I do not have to worry. Music, books, picture heavy pdfs, movies full tv series sits comfortably in my palm.
It really depends on how much you are using your phone. If I would go back 20 years I would be attached to my desktop pc and my ebook reader pocket pc. ln that case I would not need extra storage for my phone. Tho thinking of it... I had two different external cards for that handheld even back then. :)
I use an encrypted offline raid at home and encrypted cloud storage that automatically backs up. My phone is basically empty, plenty of room to accidentally record 40 gb+
If you want to carry your whole music library around, a big SD card makes that work. I understand streaming is the trendy thing and I was using Navidrome myself, but I rolled back my plan and switched to SD card for it. I've saved money.
Another use case is for carrying a heap of ROMs. I've also done this until I realised gaming on my phone was uncomfortable and bought a dedicated device.
Having the SD card wasn't a dealbreaker for me when I bought this phone but I do really like having it.
I've always said I'll listen to music more when I get through my podcast backlog and audiobook backlog. Neither of those seem particularly...imminent, lol.
They're not that impressive specs wise, somewhere between mid range and a "real" flagship that has a Snapdragon Elite chip. The only reason to get it is the top of the line security features that allow GrapheneOS to function. Or the software if you're into Ai and such and don't want Graphene, but that's like the opposite of privacy.
Is it actually usable for everyday stuff though? I heard that bank apps are pain in the ass among other things. Maybe this new deal with Motorola changes things.
I have been using it for 2+ years exclusively. I had a few issues with mobile deposit with my old credit union, but I moved to a new one and it works. So does the Discover app. Pretty much everything else is great, and I worry much less about my phone spying on me.
You can install Google app store in a container, and all the apps I've used work fine on it out of the box. It absolutely works fine as a daily driver.
I'd argue that Graphene is a better thing since it's based on an OS that's been designed for mobile from the ground up. I expect it's going to be a while before Linux UX on mobile catches up to desktop, but Graphene works great already.
It would've been a cool world if we got Linux that could work seamlessly between desktop and mobile. Imagine if you had architecture where apps were built as services with an API, and then you could connect either desktop or mobile UI to them. Heck, at that point you could even make custom UIs across apps, or pipe them together the way you do with shell scripts. And then you could also have a device like a phone which has all your apps and data, and you could plug it into a dock with more memory, GPU, etc. So, you wouldn't have to juggle a bunch of devices and sync data between them.
For most use cases though, you don't really have much of a benefit of running Linux over Android on a phone though. There's enough Linux compatibility on Android already to make it work seamlessly with your Linux devices. In my opinion, as long as the stack is open source and well supported, it doesn't really matter whether it's Android or Linux based.
The Pinephone was a fun expiriment. I want that pinboard switch on other devices, but the linux dev/update cycle is very unconducive to the needs of most daily drivers.
what kinds update cycle do you mean? cuz with a bigger userbase that will be greatly improved im sure, i use arch (btw) and i would love a similar experience on a phone. Maybe librephone will get the stone rolling. One can dream.
Far from usable as daily phone, but they are making good progress despite their small team. Dillo works as Browser for sites without js, SMS works well, calls are possible, Bluetooth is missing but everything else pretty much works.
Of course the 256MB RAM pose a heavy limit for todays apps. You have to choose ones which use it sparingly. E.g. mupdf, gnumeric instead of libreoffice and so on.
But its awesome for mobile ssh and, little games like SNES ones. I am starting to use it as second phone.
Had that on one of mine too (my main one I used for many years). Yes thats very bad, nearly unfixable and you can only use it with a second phone which provides a hotspot.
But in case you want to get rid of it it would be great if you sent it to the team for development purposes (You can reach them on their mailing list mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/…) or even I would be happy if you send it to me, so that I have spare parts and maybe I will dare to try to fix the modem.
(Some people had success with stripping all temperature sensitive parts and plastics from the mainboard and baking the mainboard in the oven)
In case you want to to keep it, believe me, I fully understand :) Maybe one day you will get the urge to fiddle with it again.
I am waiting on the release of the Volla Phone Plinius. Gonna get the one with ubuntu touch. TBH the only reason for that, is that I really lioe how it looks. I don't really enjoy the look of the Jolla with the notch and the huge bottom bezel. But I am just nitpicky. They both don't use the mainline linux kernel. But maybe if enough people switch, hardware manufacturers will be forced to provide mainline linux firmware instead of OEMs having to create their own custom linux kernel.
Just a heads up, GOS doesn't recommend the F-droid app as apparently there's some security concerns. SideOfBurritos on YouTube talks more about it. An app like Droidify or Neo Store would be better and still uses the same F-Droid repositories. I use and really like Obtanium which allows you to download and manage apps directly from their websites, GitHub, F-Droid, & more.
Here's the Side of Burritos video with two followup videos in the description ()
I don't really know much about it to be honest, and the video is pretty old, and someone in the comments says the issue is fixed but I haven't seen that anywhere else. I just use Obtanium anyway since you can get most FOSS apps from GitHub, a for ones that don't, you can still find F-Droid apps. SideOfBurritos also has a more recent video about how to set up and use Obtanium if you're interested.
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Seconded on Obtainium. Basically any FOSS app is gonna have a repo there with releases regardless, and you can always just use an f-droid repository if they only publish releases there.
Plus, way easier to export a list of installed apps to restore them at a later date!
Yep! It's not the same experience as F-Droid (e.g. it's not gonna be you scrolling through a list of apps, picking the one you want, and hitting install. Obtainium is more of a "get the URL to where the app's releases are, paste it in here, add it, then hit install, plus you might have to do a little config so it selects the right release if there are multiple", but once it's set up, it's set up.
I fully replaced the F-Droid app with Obtainium for actually installing and updating apps, but I still keep the F-Droid app around just because I can go on there, search up apps, do a little browsing, then take the app I want and put it in Obtainium.
Welcome ! Quick tip: Google has a database of cell towers that helps getting a location quickly and helps starting the GPS connection even indoors.
You don't have that on GOS. So when you use localization with organic maps, you'll notice it struggle to find you. You have to have a clear view to the sky to get a ping and then you can use it inside your car for example.
GrapheneOS has some services of its own that improve location speed and accuracy when enabled: SUPL and PSDS. They're both implemented in ways that try to preserve privacy. See here for more info:
It has always been an option to buy a used phone, immediately unlock the bootloader, and install GrapheneOS on it while avoiding installing Google apps entirely.
But at the same time, you are signaling that you give money to a phone where is OK to actually change what it runs without much questions (for how long? Not sure). In a way, it's an incentive to do something positive (even if it is google).
Also as someone mentioned, getting second hand phones is possible although I understand it can be a big gamble at times
Used phones exist and if you buy ANY android phone google has been paid at some point for licensing not to mention whatever junk the carrier puts on them to subsidize costs.
You have to be really, really fast. But it can be done. I find that if you can accurately speak in dial up tones to your phone, you should be able to snap a photo while you’re communicating with it.
It's really easy. I installed dirty unicorns and a few others onto an Android phone years ago and had to install a program and follow a bunch of steps, adb, etc. GrapheneOS can be installed from a browser using another phone or tablet with each step basically a button on the site. I was a little surprised how simple it was.
Yeah I installed Graphene years ago on an old Pixel 4a and I remember it being a bit of a process. But I just got a new Pixel a couple of weeks ago and I was surprised how easy it is now.
Maintained Compatibility List for International Banking Apps
This list includes banking apps that have been tested, submitted, reviewed, and verified as compatible.
Maintained Compatibility List for International Banking Apps
This list includes banking apps that have been tested, submitted, reviewed, and verified as compatible.
Most apps will work with just sandboxed play services installed. But, If your app has implemented play integrity checks then you need play store installed, and you need to be logged in too. Only then you'll be able to use banking apps.
It really depends on the banking app, for example mine used google play store to download but doesnt need it to run at all (updates happen from it though). So i can run it on my main profile with GPS (google play store) disabled.
Protip - Download something like the Shelter app so you can set up a Work profile space and install the apps that need GPS to run n then this can be the space where you have these apps. Shelter has a really handy feature that lets you get notifications from these apps when on another profile n can send files between. Best of all you can pause the work space, basically stops all apps.
At the start i had quite a few GPS apps here but I've slowly using less n less. At the moment there are three apps there that I need for work but only rarely so really need to unpause that space like 2% of the time.
P.S - try and ensure the apps on your main profile are not downloaded from GPS/Aurora Store. You can check the app info to see which store you downloaded them from. If you can, get them from other stores (others have given good tips on those alre
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It really depends on the banking app, for example mine used google play store to download but doesnt need it to run at all (updates happen from it though). So i can run it on my main profile with GPS (google play store) disabled.
Protip - Download something like the Shelter app so you can set up a Work profile space and install the apps that need GPS to run n then this can be the space where you have these apps. Shelter has a really handy feature that lets you get notifications from these apps when on another profile n can send files between. Best of all you can pause the work space, basically stops all apps.
At the start i had quite a few GPS apps here but I've slowly using less n less. At the moment there are three apps there that I need for work but only rarely so really need to unpause that space like 2% of the time.
P.S - try and ensure the apps on your main profile are not downloaded from GPS/Aurora Store. You can check the app info to see which store you downloaded them from. If you can, get them from other stores (others have given good tips on those already) or their own websites/githubs. Basically want to have zero connected apps n can disable google play store n services on your main profile.
PhonePe works perfectly fine. Bhim UPI works sometimes but definitely needs play services and does not work on private profiles. Need to be installed in main profile.
Google pay will not work. As for the banking apps, it'll depend on how the app is implemented. I can pay with my Chase app, but no Google pay (yes, I tried, Sue me 🤣)
Absolutely not. You can choose whatever sources you want (your mileage may vary). You have the option to block location and just add the name of the cities you want to keep an eye on as well. It's a delight to use.
I use Openweather as my source for most data points.
Breezy is such a treasure. Logging the network activity on any typical mainstream weather app really gives you the chills. I finally found this privacy-respecting and really beautifully designed app and I am so glad it exists.
Welcome to serenity in the middle of the storm. Isn't it great at first boot after install where you only have a clean canvas with a couple of apps and absolutely no bloat?
i am very stupid when it comes to phones... how can I wipe android and install graphenous. I will buy a new chip/SIM for my last phone to test/see how it works. Reveal your magic please. I just want a basic phone (text, call, maybe even a map/weather app and like a note app). I can use cash money or bank cards for paying for stuff- don't need an app/service for that, perfectly capable as an adult to manage paying for shit without an electronic device.
Just go to the grapheneOS website and it will walk you through it.
I have a medium competency with this kind of thing and the actual install was shockingly easy. Took about 15 mins.
You just change a couple of settings on your phone (it walks you through everything), plug it in and then press some buttons in sequence on their site.
Just make sure you back up everything you need from the phone first.
lennee
in reply to Goldenring • • •humanamerican
in reply to lennee • • •Melobol
in reply to humanamerican • • •I don't really understand why Pixel is that evryone likes/they support.
I can't accept the fact that there is no external sd card support.
I believe I am getting old because I am very stuck on this point, even more than the headphone jack.
Nevermind I just saw Motorola is actually making a deal with gaphene OS. They were my next future phone with sd cards and even styluses- if this goes through, can't wait!
NuXCOM_90Percent
in reply to Melobol • • •I also like having expanded storage. But if you actually care about privacy?
You want the minimum amount of data on your phone at any given time. Your recent camera roll, any cached music and apps, and that is really it. Everything should be offloaded to your private storage ASAP
Because for as shit as google and apple are? You can also remote wipe those devices. less effective if it is a government agent that has it, but it is a thing. And, depending on the storage setup, that sd card might be raw dogging it to begin with.
Melobol
in reply to NuXCOM_90Percent • • •The utility is the key.
I'm just 100% against corporations enshittificating their products so you pay hundreds more for a 50$ part.
Default Username
in reply to NuXCOM_90Percent • • •NuXCOM_90Percent
in reply to Default Username • • •And welcome to software development. Every feature needs time (money), engineers (money), and testing (money). With most testing continuing in perpetuity because any pull request could break it.
And when you add on that graphene is a nonprofit baked FOSS project... Well, if it is as simple as you think it is then get to making a pull request, I guess?
Default Username
in reply to NuXCOM_90Percent • • •MolochHorridus
in reply to NuXCOM_90Percent • • •Moose Winooski
in reply to Melobol • • •TheOubliette
in reply to Melobol • • •Pixels are the main target of aftermarket ROMs because they are reference Android devices with highly available unlocked developer modes. Most companies producing phones do things like add propriety changes that require substantial workarounds for relatively basic hardware functionality and make it much more difficult to even install an aftermarket ROM.
Really this is all a consequence of capitalism itself and the need to lock in ecosystems to establish controlled markets (allowing for controlling one's own profit). Every phone could be fully unlockable and hackable by the end user, but companies specifically prevent this in order to maximize their own profits.
partofthevoice
in reply to TheOubliette • • •Rekorse
in reply to partofthevoice • • •pivot_root
in reply to Rekorse • • •Bullshit. Upgrading from 1 TB of internal storage to 2 TB on a laptop is not a $250 expense. Before the memory crisis, I could have bought a brand new M.2 SSD with the full 2 TB for less than that.
INeedANewUserName
in reply to pivot_root • • •pivot_root
in reply to INeedANewUserName • • •INeedANewUserName
in reply to pivot_root • • •TheOubliette
in reply to Rekorse • • •huppakee
in reply to Rekorse • • •They sure don't do that from the good of their heart,
they make their customers pay for a 'service' that robs them of their freedom
mad_djinn
in reply to Rekorse • • •"poor people making poor people noises" is all I'm getting out of you. what are you doing on lemmy dont you have an ai chatbot to flirt with?
Rekorse
in reply to mad_djinn • • •Melobol
in reply to TheOubliette • • •TheOubliette
in reply to Melobol • • •knee
in reply to TheOubliette • • •ilinamorato
in reply to Melobol • • •OK, this is going to sound dismissive, and I really don't mean it to be. But why?
For data transfer, you can still use the USB port (I do it all the time). Other than that, there's more than enough storage available onboard for any reasonable amount of usage. I don't even really keep anything critical on my device at all, so what there is is kind of overkill already.
I just don't understand the need for an SD card with storage being as plentiful now as it is. I want to understand.
degen
in reply to ilinamorato • • •Melobol
in reply to ilinamorato • • •People always saying physical Media is important, and most of the time they tink of cds and dvds.
I use my sd cards for physical Media sorage.
I used my camera and accidentally recorded 40 gigs of video.
With external card I do not have to worry.
Music, books, picture heavy pdfs, movies full tv series sits comfortably in my palm.
ilinamorato
in reply to Melobol • • •Interesting. Thanks for letting me know.
I think of myself as a data hog also, but only on my computer; I'm mostly a minimalist on my phone.
Melobol
in reply to ilinamorato • • •If I would go back 20 years I would be attached to my desktop pc and my ebook reader pocket pc. ln that case I would not need extra storage for my phone. Tho thinking of it... I had two different external cards for that handheld even back then. :)
gnuthing [they/them]
in reply to Melobol • • •cdzero
in reply to ilinamorato • • •If you want to carry your whole music library around, a big SD card makes that work. I understand streaming is the trendy thing and I was using Navidrome myself, but I rolled back my plan and switched to SD card for it. I've saved money.
Another use case is for carrying a heap of ROMs. I've also done this until I realised gaming on my phone was uncomfortable and bought a dedicated device.
Having the SD card wasn't a dealbreaker for me when I bought this phone but I do really like having it.
ilinamorato
in reply to cdzero • • •humanamerican
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in reply to rumba • • •funkless_eck
in reply to humanamerican • • •kuhli
in reply to funkless_eck • • •Graphene only supports pixels currently.
They have hardware encryption tech other phones don't have that graphene uses
humanamerican
in reply to funkless_eck • • •Bahnd Rollard
in reply to lennee • • •lennee
in reply to Bahnd Rollard • • •pedroapero
in reply to lennee • • •macros
in reply to pedroapero • • •Still have it?You can try maemo Leste on it.
maemo-leste.github.io/
Far from usable as daily phone, but they are making good progress despite their small team. Dillo works as Browser for sites without js, SMS works well, calls are possible, Bluetooth is missing but everything else pretty much works.
Of course the 256MB RAM pose a heavy limit for todays apps. You have to choose ones which use it sparingly. E.g. mupdf, gnumeric instead of libreoffice and so on.
But its awesome for mobile ssh and, little games like SNES ones. I am starting to use it as second phone.
pedroapero
in reply to macros • • •macros
in reply to pedroapero • • •Had that on one of mine too (my main one I used for many years). Yes thats very bad, nearly unfixable and you can only use it with a second phone which provides a hotspot.
But in case you want to get rid of it it would be great if you sent it to the team for development purposes
(You can reach them on their mailing list mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/…)
or even I would be happy if you send it to me, so that I have spare parts and maybe I will dare to try to fix the modem.
(Some people had success with stripping all temperature sensitive parts and plastics from the mainboard and baking the mainboard in the oven)
In case you want to to keep it, believe me, I fully understand :)
Maybe one day you will get the urge to fiddle with it again.
Maemo-Leste Info Page
mailinglists.dyne.orgAkasazh
in reply to lennee • • •KuzhinierSileon
in reply to Akasazh • • •rb411
in reply to Goldenring • • •Welcome to the fold!
Just a heads up, GOS doesn't recommend the F-droid app as apparently there's some security concerns. SideOfBurritos on YouTube talks more about it. An app like Droidify or Neo Store would be better and still uses the same F-Droid repositories. I use and really like Obtanium which allows you to download and manage apps directly from their websites, GitHub, F-Droid, & more.
humanamerican
in reply to rb411 • • •rb411
in reply to humanamerican • • •Here's the Side of Burritos video with two followup videos in the description ()
I don't really know much about it to be honest, and the video is pretty old, and someone in the comments says the issue is fixed but I haven't seen that anywhere else. I just use Obtanium anyway since you can get most FOSS apps from GitHub, a for ones that don't, you can still find F-Droid apps. SideOfBurritos also has a more recent video about how to set up and use Obtanium if you're interested.
- YouTube
www.youtube.comhumanamerican
in reply to rb411 • • •AmbitiousProcess (they/them)
in reply to rb411 • • •Seconded on Obtainium. Basically any FOSS app is gonna have a repo there with releases regardless, and you can always just use an f-droid repository if they only publish releases there.
Plus, way easier to export a list of installed apps to restore them at a later date!
curious_dolphin
in reply to AmbitiousProcess (they/them) • • •So Obtainium users can install F-Droid apps through Obtainium?
Default Username
in reply to curious_dolphin • • •AmbitiousProcess (they/them)
in reply to curious_dolphin • • •Yep! It's not the same experience as F-Droid (e.g. it's not gonna be you scrolling through a list of apps, picking the one you want, and hitting install. Obtainium is more of a "get the URL to where the app's releases are, paste it in here, add it, then hit install, plus you might have to do a little config so it selects the right release if there are multiple", but once it's set up, it's set up.
I fully replaced the F-Droid app with Obtainium for actually installing and updating apps, but I still keep the F-Droid app around just because I can go on there, search up apps, do a little browsing, then take the app I want and put it in Obtainium.
toynbee
in reply to rb411 • • •rb411
in reply to toynbee • • •You can download the APK right from their website as well as I believe their GitHub.
Their website also has the certificate hash to verify with AppVerifier
Obtainium
obtainium.imranr.devtoynbee
in reply to rb411 • • •AmbitiousProcess (they/them)
in reply to Goldenring • • •Username85920
in reply to Goldenring • • •Welcome !
Quick tip: Google has a database of cell towers that helps getting a location quickly and helps starting the GPS connection even indoors.
You don't have that on GOS.
So when you use localization with organic maps, you'll notice it struggle to find you. You have to have a clear view to the sky to get a ping and then you can use it inside your car for example.
I also use github.com/barbeau/gpstest to get the ping more quickly.
GitHub - barbeau/gpstest: The #1 open-source Android GNSS/GPS test program
GitHubMoose Winooski
in reply to Username85920 • • •Username85920
in reply to Moose Winooski • • •floofloof
in reply to Username85920 • • •GrapheneOS has some services of its own that improve location speed and accuracy when enabled: SUPL and PSDS. They're both implemented in ways that try to preserve privacy. See here for more info:
grapheneos.org/faq#default-con…
With these enabled, it's usually quick to get your precise location.
GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
GrapheneOSUsername85920
in reply to floofloof • • •podbrushkin
in reply to Username85920 • • •Moose Winooski
in reply to Goldenring • • •HappyFrog
in reply to Goldenring • • •Default Username
in reply to HappyFrog • • •It has always been an option to buy a used phone, immediately unlock the bootloader, and install GrapheneOS on it while avoiding installing Google apps entirely.
Then Google gets none of your money.
ZeDoTelhado
in reply to HappyFrog • • •But at the same time, you are signaling that you give money to a phone where is OK to actually change what it runs without much questions (for how long? Not sure). In a way, it's an incentive to do something positive (even if it is google).
Also as someone mentioned, getting second hand phones is possible although I understand it can be a big gamble at times
gravitas
in reply to HappyFrog • • •sic_semper_tyrannis
in reply to HappyFrog • • •asdasd201
in reply to Goldenring • • •Nate Cox
in reply to Goldenring • • •jafra
in reply to Nate Cox • • •Matt
in reply to Goldenring • • •Cheers mate. I'm running GrapheneOS on my Pixel 9a.
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#メイド hunting - Gobackのイラスト - pixiv
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in reply to Matt • • •Got a guide? I have pixel 8a.
Edit: Nvm I Ecosia'd it. Found lots of stuff.
eru
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in reply to mystic-macaroni • • •context for the confused.
Absolutely legendary thread.
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in reply to Goldenring • • •Pretty much impossible to live in an Indian city without these apps now
alt_xa_23
in reply to nerdschleife • • •Unless something has changed in the past couple years, google pay doesn't work.
Here's a compatibility list for banking apps: link
Banking Applications Compatibility with GrapheneOS
akc3n, Tommy, spring-onion (PrivSec - A practical approach to Privacy and Security)Lets_Disco
in reply to alt_xa_23 • • •Banking Applications Compatibility with GrapheneOS
akc3n, Tommy, spring-onion (PrivSec - A practical approach to Privacy and Security)lemmylemonade
in reply to nerdschleife • • •Lets_Disco
in reply to lemmylemonade • • •It really depends on the banking app, for example mine used google play store to download but doesnt need it to run at all (updates happen from it though). So i can run it on my main profile with GPS (google play store) disabled.
Protip - Download something like the Shelter app so you can set up a Work profile space and install the apps that need GPS to run n then this can be the space where you have these apps. Shelter has a really handy feature that lets you get notifications from these apps when on another profile n can send files between. Best of all you can pause the work space, basically stops all apps.
At the start i had quite a few GPS apps here but I've slowly using less n less. At the moment there are three apps there that I need for work but only rarely so really need to unpause that space like 2% of the time.
P.S - try and ensure the apps on your main profile are not downloaded from GPS/Aurora Store. You can check the app info to see which store you downloaded them from. If you can, get them from other stores (others have given good tips on those alre
... Show more...It really depends on the banking app, for example mine used google play store to download but doesnt need it to run at all (updates happen from it though). So i can run it on my main profile with GPS (google play store) disabled.
Protip - Download something like the Shelter app so you can set up a Work profile space and install the apps that need GPS to run n then this can be the space where you have these apps. Shelter has a really handy feature that lets you get notifications from these apps when on another profile n can send files between. Best of all you can pause the work space, basically stops all apps.
At the start i had quite a few GPS apps here but I've slowly using less n less. At the moment there are three apps there that I need for work but only rarely so really need to unpause that space like 2% of the time.
P.S - try and ensure the apps on your main profile are not downloaded from GPS/Aurora Store. You can check the app info to see which store you downloaded them from. If you can, get them from other stores (others have given good tips on those already) or their own websites/githubs. Basically want to have zero connected apps n can disable google play store n services on your main profile.
cryptix
in reply to nerdschleife • • •youmaynotknow
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in reply to nerdschleife • • •Here is a list of apps that don't work.
grapheneos.org/articles/attest…
GrapheneOS attestation compatibility guide
GrapheneOSqualia
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in reply to Gonzako • • •Absolutely not. You can choose whatever sources you want (your mileage may vary). You have the option to block location and just add the name of the cities you want to keep an eye on as well. It's a delight to use.
I use Openweather as my source for most data points.
PhilLab
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •waxy
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in reply to Goldenring • • •Lucelu2
in reply to Goldenring • • •android and install graphenous. I will buy a new chip/SIM for my last phone to test/see how it works. Reveal your magic please. I just want a basic phone (text, call, maybe even a map/weather app and like a note app). I can use cash money or bank cards for paying for stuff- don't need an app/service for that, perfectly capable as an adult to manage paying for shit without an electronic device.
FG_3479
in reply to Lucelu2 • • •sunbytes
in reply to Lucelu2 • • •Just go to the grapheneOS website and it will walk you through it.
I have a medium competency with this kind of thing and the actual install was shockingly easy. Took about 15 mins.
You just change a couple of settings on your phone (it walks you through everything), plug it in and then press some buttons in sequence on their site.
Just make sure you back up everything you need from the phone first.
kalpol
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