Q: Whatever happened to our promised Signal - WhatsApp compatibility?
The news first came in 2024, but it's been very quiet since.
I've been waiting this whole time to jettison WhatsApp from my phone.
Is it available only in some parts of the world? If so can I spoof it?
We know that adversarial interoperability works, so why have we not been able to make this work?
All else failing, are there any unofficial WhatsApp clients I can use to preserve my privacy?
Adversarial Interoperability
“Interoperability” is the act of making a new product or service work with an existing product or service: modern civilization depends on the standards and practices that allow you to put any dish into a dishwasher or any USB charger into any car’s c…Electronic Frontier Foundation
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Arcanoloth
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in reply to Arcanoloth • • •Updated the description to clarify.
The economic incentive from Signals point of view is that it allows them to steal users. Its a lot easier to switch if you don't have to drag 100% of people you know off a platform to remove their app.
Look up adversarial interoperability if you're interested. It's how Facebook got big in the first place.
As for Meta, the only thing they would gain is less scrutiny from regulators as Gatekeepers.
Arcanoloth
in reply to Armand1 • • •Thanks for the clarification.
Well, I'd expect Meta to drag their feet as much as they can, tbh. So: Years and as many "regrettable" technical hiccups and UX inconveniences as they can get away with without having to pay too stiff a fine. Same as always.
I am aware of adverserial interoperability, but, frankly, it's one of those ideas that make me chuckle benevolently. I don't see much practical merit in it. As for Facebook getting big that way in the first place: I strongly disagree. They got big by being early, good enough to capture the zeitgeist, and then being as anticompetitve as they could. Just like Microsoft before them, for example.
Picasso
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in reply to lennee • • •While I have no doubt Meta is doing the absolute minimum it can to comply, they're not allowed to pick and choose arbitrarily. They can have technical and security requirements, but we're not hearing from major players about how WhatsApp is refusing them access when they've asked.
I'm inclined to think most of them either don't want to (Signal doesn't) or aren't in a position to make it work.
lennee
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in reply to Armand1 • • •-Meredith Whittaker (Signal President)
techcrunch.com/2024/03/04/sign…
So no interoperability in the near future for Signal.
Signal's Meredith Whittaker scorns anti-encryption efforts as 'parochial, magical thinking' | TechCrunch
Devin Coldewey (TechCrunch)Zak
in reply to Armand1 • • •There's some confusion because of the reference to "Signal protocol". This refers to the key exchange and encryption protocol originally developed for Signal and adopted by WhatsApp, iMessage, and others.
This is a means of establishing a secure end-to-end encrypted conversation, not a federated protocol for different messaging networks to interoperate. WhatsApp announced that Signal protocol or a compatible E2EE implementation is one of their requirements to allow third parties to interoperate.
Signal has signaled its intent not to interoperate with WhatsApp or anything else several times over the years for both technical and security reasons.
Undertaker
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in reply to Undertaker • • •Using WhatsApp and 'preserve privacy' is a contradiction. Accept no privacy or stop using any kind of Metas services and networks