It is addiction just like any other. I felt like I can't quit it, I feel like I will lose connection with the friends and family that is still using it. That it keeps me informed and other BS.
After deleting it on 2nd try (after navigating the maze to delete, they gave 30 days to change mind, hoping I won't be able to resist and will log in. And of course I couldn't resist the first time and logged back in) I realized that I haven't lost anything of value and the people that I still matter I have other ways to contact.
I see less from old loved ones by not having it, but that's ok, it makes catching up an activity. It's fun to share the exciting things of the past year or two with my family and friends when I see them.
With kids there's loads of "stuff" that just makes the whole ordeal a lot more livable. Being able to buy all that stuff on facebook and re-sell for the same price has saved us a heap of money. Like thousands.
It's easy to say "oh well you should use whatever alternative platform", but honestly there's just no other ready market for this stuff.
Surprisingly, Craigslist is rather active in my area. It's still not as active as marketplace, but it makes it possible to get by without having an FB account.
It's just not really a thing here in Australia. I just checked and in my state (about 2 million people) there's a dozen ads or so across all categories.
A distant second to facebook marketplace is gumtree. I just had a look to see how popular that is and their site just seems to be down. Shits fucked really.
In my area Craigslist is actually better for selling vehicles or say boats, but thats about it. Nobody uses nextdoor around here, so you dont get much traffic.
Craigslist is better for finding apartments and roommates as well. Also finding handymen or off the books workers of any type.
Marketplace is good for used tools, selling stuff, buying stuff.
Nextdoor is a cesspool, populated by paranoids that find each other and reinforce their delusions, calling the police on "strangers," fielding grand conspiracies, and otherwise talking trash without cause.
Perhaps it depends on the quality of moderation for your Nextdoor area. But those issues you listed are separate from the buying/selling part of it anyway. I've generally found Nextdoor & Craigslist to be sufficient.
Maybe I will give it a try again and forget the crazies guarding against roving antifa death squads in their neighborhoods. Kind of hard for me to get past that though.
I tried to find something on marketplace a month ago. Dozens of posts because it's a super common item, all posts were a week or less old. None were legitimate. Every one was a scam, responses all leading to bullshit websites to buy, or users that never responded.
Has to get the item on Ebay instead because apparently they actually have basic scam prevention systems in place while Facebook apparently doesn't have shit.
eBay is horrific for actually finding something. The fact that you can't search for something inside a category blows my mind. And then no one completes the forms correctly so even if you add filters you still get shown a bunch of shit that doesn't fit. Then the sorting appears to be just random. Good luck finding anything locally that way, because then eBay doesn't get paid. Better pony up the extra money for shipping.
I moved to a new town recently. People don't give out their phone numbers to connect. They give out their FB and Instagram accounts. Not having either is perceived as weird.
I already said I recently moved. I've moved 3 times in the past 10 years and it's all the same. Maybe people used Snapchat or Instagram more often than Facebook when I was younger but it's all the same privacy invasive shit.
The majority tolerate it, that's why Meta is so successful as a company.
Facebook is something most people have and use to connect because most people don't care about the privacy invasions or manipulative algorithms. It's a fucked up world, not a fucked up town.
Same happen to me and I realized that where not my friends! The question someone asked me then, was how many of them would remember your birthday? \ Phone numbers + messaging apps is good way to stay connected.
To me, I dont care if my friends remember my birthday. I care if they are genuine friends and I have good conversations and laughs around them.
Someone remembering your birthday is just them putting a reminder in the calendar. Doesnt mean much, not to me at least.
So you have an actual human connection to these people? Friends could have a laugh over forgetting someones birthday, because its built on a real connection that doesnt go away over missing the small things.
Marketplace has killed most other local trading stuff sites. Craigslist is still limping along, but has far less available at higher prices than FBMP. I’m happy to hear of viable alternatives, especially for used vehicles, tools and equipment. I’ve saved a lot of money on my business and hobbies that way, but would leave in a heartbeat if there’s a real competitor.
Aside from the already-mentioned marketplace, social networks like FB are fit well for localized giveaways. Where I am, the local analog of FB has groups where bakeries and cafes give out food remaining at the end of the day.
One population that this particularly pertains to are homeless people. Some folks get surprised when a homeless person has a smartphone, but it's a means for finding help and resources.
I mean a platform that's used in my country. It's still centralized, and the practices are not much better, probably only because they haven't yet gotten around to all the same shady shit.
Eh at least they presumably pay attention, moderate it, and tailor it to your country.
One of my issues with FB is that it mind as well be run from Alpha Centauri. There’s nothing “human” or local about, its a gaping maw mixed with tons of other predatory service.
I signed up for friendica, after 2 decades of having never used facebook.
It's blank, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
I can't comment on what the facebook experience is, but I imagine they don't just dump you onto a blank white page, with zero explaination.
Note that I am NOT defending or endorsing facebook. I'm just saying the decentralized services have work to do before they can fully be reccomended.
I also recently signed up for pixelfed. It took 3 days to login the first time. And I'm still not sure what the point of collections is. But I did upload 4 pictures.
Have been for a while. Decided to try to make a fake Facebook account mid-laat year to use marketplace since it's the dominant platform in my area. As soon as I saw this I just closed the browser tab.
I had an account but deleted it years ago, during covid my kids school put a lot of information on their Facebook account so I tried making a new account. Facebook told me there wasn't enough proof I was real, so I made a fake account with a super common name, they were fine with that. So now I have a Facebook account that I occasionally use to repost sports articles,I have zero interest in sports but my guy seems to like them.
Other me wants his own social media accounts as well.
Did you sign up for the failed you and generic other you accounts from the same electronic device, the same IP? They should be able to tell it's the same person that is pretty weird.
Honestly I don't remember, but I don't really use anything else to fill out forms so I probably used my pc I did make him a Google account before setting up his Facebook, he does have a picture of himself but it was made by ai I just used his info from Facebook as the prompt.
It’d be a shame if someone use AI to generate an image to upload. You’d just be feeding AI data into AI, and that could ruin what Facebook’s trying to do.
a lot of the big names in image generation fingerprint the images they output to make them easy to filter out of training data. theres a possibility they could detect this fairly easily.
Typically, I think that requires the photo to be modified for the purpose of identifying it later. I don’t think any old photo can be retrofitted with such a capability posthoc.
Perhaps there are local classifieds or marketplaces you could use? For example, one of the local news services in my area runs one that's well known and active.
I really need a car and to sell some shit I'm not using for money, that site is so hostile I said fuck it, facebook market place isn't worth it. whose got a worth while alternative?
It's been like that for quite a while. I remember deleting all big-tech accounts in 2019, and shortly after, Facebook started requiring login for full public page access. Therefore I created a burner account using a 'this person does not exist' picture, which provided me short-lived access after manual review. For account recovery, I was required to supply additional selfies (or even video-selfies?), but at that point I gave up.
Yeah, I think they employ a pretty sophisticated bot detection algorithm. I vaguely remember there being this 'make 5 friends' objective, or something along those lines, which I had no intention of fulfilling. If a new account, having triggered the manual reviewing process, doesn't adhere to common usage patterns, simply have them supply additional information. Any collateral damage simply means additional data, to be appended to Facebook's self-profiling platform... I mean, what else would one expect when Facebook's first outside investor was Palentir's Peter Thiel?
One wit responded to such requests for ID by sending in a picture of an id with pharoh ramsey's mummy's picture, birthdate thousands bc.
I never agreed to give them my personal information. My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.
I now found alternative email that doesn't need a phone number or linked other email. I am quitting every site that tried to force me to link my phone number, real name, likeness, id, address, anything like that, without a valid reason.
Amazon just demanded I verify my account again, same ip, same account I've used for years. Verifying under the email I abandoned for forcing my phone verification periodically, that would lock me out of my accounts if I lost my phone or it's service. Trying to make good on my threats to quit them too.
My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.
Microsoft had me fill this form, to "prove" I was the rightful owner of the account, after some suspicious login-attempts from an African country. The form included fields like: name (I don't think I supplied at creation, or a false one), other email addresses, previous passwords (which potentially yield completely unrelated passwords), etc.; only for the application to be rejected and locking me out of my primary email for a full month. After that outright violation, I immediately switched to Disroot, and haven't had any of said problems ever since. I backup all its contents locally using Thunderbird, and delete the origins from the server afterwards.
Many platforms have this messed up dark pattern, of revoking one's access to a real-world dependencies, unless giving in to the service's demands. Enforcement of 2FA is another one of those "excuses" for this type of misbehavior, and so is bot-detection.
I have mixed feelings. Setting aside that Meta is a trash company, I wish no one used it, but unfortunately, it has replaced Craigslist in the US.
I see A LOT of fake accounts on facebook. I’ve seen people I know get all their photos stolen and used to scam men online. I’ve seen random clones of other accounts for people I know slinging crypto scams.
Facebook needs to do something about that. There are too many media illiterate people on Facebook to do nothing.
That said, I’d rather this not be the way they handled it.
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Last time I used facebook they required me to send in a legal ID after a couple months of being registered, which locked me out of my oculus quest 2 headset back when they required facebook accounts and weren't called meta.
Have you never thought that you can actually NOT do these things?
I mean, sure, maybe you had a good reason and you felt it was fine. But I wonder how many people just do what the screen tells them without realizing they can actually say no and be ok with the consequences.
Well I didn't send it in. I just got oculus support to separate my facebook account from my oculus account, which at the time new standalone oculus accounts were not able to be created. So I found the only loop hole to make a new standalone oculus account.
This account was eventually migrated to the meta account system and still works while my facebook account still doesn't work.
I only use for marketplace as well. I've never submitted a picture of myself either, about the only person remaining in the country it appears. I felt weird about it for a while after absolutely everyone else did, now I feel vindicated.
The day they demand facial recognition is the day I quit using it, losing access to used goods be damned.
tbf some developing countries still use facebook daily, if youre from the west its easy to say to just log out and delete your account, but if youre from one of those countries its just hard to cut that out you know. but yeah fuck facebook
Well i live in georgia and everyone, including the gen z, use fb. But yeah it depends on the country. If i had it my way i would delete every social media account that i have but idk feels like a very big move and i want people to easily contact me without them downloading signal or something similar they dont use.
As a sane person I never joined Facebook until recently. At least I tried to. Got rejected for no reason- it said I violated their authenticity requirements or some bullshit. Nonsense. I looked it up and it's common - if they can't farm enough data off you to sell they don't want you. Couldn't care less, but Zuckerberg is a human cancer.
lol ‘Sane’ people wait to see the damage wrought by this dogshit then wait three years for more of it and THEN try to join. Your sane and my sane are different sanes. Best of luck, citizen!
Would never upload picture to American big tech service and im surprised people think thats something they agree to. I guess the addiction is too strong, to these shitty services.
In my country, biometrics are now prevalent. I had a very hard time giving my face to my bank, but the government is on board with this because, they say, we have to combat money laundry. They are trying to tie EVERYTHING to our identities: biometrics, mobile phone number, official documents, bank accounts, they are all tightly tied already.
So, people feel like their biometrics are already out there, since they don't grasp the concept of attack surface. Until now, we need to give our biometrics to vote, to pay taxes, to get a passport, to get a drivers license (in some places), and to get a serious bank account. The only way we can deny biometrics is by not needing any of those services (very poor, and very rich people that don't like to travel the world). Under these circumstances, most people just give away their biometrics to anyone that asks, it's a given for them.
People who are saying to just delete Facebook or don’t use it aren’t wrong of course (I say that myself, to be clear I hate FB); but as someone who tries to buy and sell things secondhand (I see it as being environmentally responsible), this is largely becoming impossible to do locally without Facebook Marketplace. I honestly have some grudging respect for Facebook’s ability to survive just when you think they might start to become irrelevant. Things were headed that way for them, then they bought Instagram. And then the last couple years, it was sort of common knowledge that the only people who use it anymore are old folks and Nazis… and then FB Marketplace kills Craigslist and becomes the only app people use for local buying/selling.
Idk maybe there’s some opportunity here for some local buy/sell federated service?
If buying shit at Goodwill and selling it online is how you choose to make your living, then I suppose you're "stuck" with FB.
But, if you are making a living at it, or significantly supplementing your income, then your privacy is the cost of doing business. At least you are profiting something from the deal.
If buying shit at Goodwill and selling it online is how you choose to make your living
what made you come to that idea? they didn't say they did it for profit but if you are broke (like me) or environmentally conscious you would try to buy things second hand when needed and sell whatever you don't need anymore (because the last time I checked everyone needs to pay bills)
they have a point, facebook is the website mostly used in my country where people buy and sell second hand and it still is my biggest regret after deleting my account
No need of an Fakebook account that it can track you, if your family and friends have an account with your data, mail and phone in their agenda. With this also Zuckerbot know it. Apart of all (pixel)tracking API in all websites with an FB link. Because of this, I've blocked all FB services in Portmaster, I can't even access it, but with it, I'm not longer exist for FB.
Use a Google Voice phone number, and an AI generated photo/video.
You can even use augmentations to create different photos/videos of the same fake person. Or create an “altered” version of yourself close enough to match whatever Facebook has.
…Hopefully.
I’m in the same predicament. There's always eBay, but they take a fat cut on top of whatever is paid for shipping.
I don't even use facial unlock on my phone. I enter the pin every time.
Unfortunately, to access the Social Security site, I was required to send a picture of my face and driver's license. So, I suppose Trump will sell that to whoever want's to buy it now.
if you’re using an iphone, the avoidance is just your own inconvenience. face id on iphone all happens locally, on a dedicated security chip in your phone. id be much more concerned with having any pictures of myself on google photos
Facebook is what free'd me of having to interact with my local DSA /hj
Local DSA posts everything on facebook, I don't have facebook and won't post my face onto there to make it happen.
I email them but they just tell me check the facebook
I try to join the discord but they want to see me at events first, which I can't find, because they are posted on the facebook and I can only scroll down 3 posts before I get asked to login.
I give them my number and my signal but they don't reach out.
Most of the public's awareness of technology is so naive as to basically stick their heads in the sand because they want the convenience and ease and are willing to overlook evil. So they don't care about supply chain evils, corruption that is embedded into the system, so they can scroll TikTok and watch netflix on their offtime, while using Klarma to pay the groceries. Real organization against organizers in which people aren't being data mined would require some technological awareness. The masses just don't have it.
They join political groups on Facebook then get data mined and classified into oblivion until a computer can process their views and give them a discounted ad-supported Netflix so they are less politically upset.
I see a lot of people saying "just don't use it". If it was that easy…
In some places, FB has took the lion share of the 2nd hand online selling. Historical platforms are in agony and your chance of finding a buyer/seller dramatically reduce if you avoid FB maretplace. In some places, FB is so common that schools, activities etc. are organized on FB. You don't have an account, no worry: you'll be the lone idiot to drop your kid at school the day it's closed because of a snow storm. In some places, FB is the personal life blogging platform. So if you want to know about old friends you've left behind as you were relocating to different countries, you're going to miss on some quite important events (death in the family, etc.) as that's where they let people know. In some places, if you want to build a network, that's where "everyone" is. You like trekking and want to find a group for that? They're all on FB. You want to play board games? Groups are all on FB.
Right, when you apply for jobs, they want socials and indeeds and this and that, when you meet people they want to add you on Facebook. These are "private" companies, but because they are natural monopolies, they essentially become quasi-required parts of being able to function normally within society.
The right way to deal with this is to regulate the fuck out of the natural monopolies, but rich elitists who own the government by proxy and big surveillance tech have this symbiotic relationship where big tech surveils and secretly data mines the public (to blacklist and exclude potential risks to the system and monitor those people) and so it won't happen.
Republicans, hurt most by the blacklisting initially, were most likely to regulate big tech, ironically, but now money and ass-kissing of Republican leaders has changed the game and no one will fucking regulate them. All politicians who allow this to happen are either weak or whores, being paid to just perform a role of politician.
I've job hopped a lot, and literally no company has ever asked for my social media besides indeed, which I keep sterile clean. Actually, they've never even specifically asked for that either, that's just where I've applied through.
All you do is tell them you do not have an account. I have told hundreds of people this and guess what? I work and have friends and am still living. Can you believe it?
Bullshit. I have never used facebook and I have never had an issue where I needed to.
If you are selling second hand, use a different platform. No one is making you use marketplace.
There are online portals, calendars, and even emails that notify parents of students and events.
You can call you friends and find out how they are doing. You can also email to keep in touch. Stop posting everything about yourself and the internet and you should be telling your friends the same.
You are just making excuses as to why you need it in your life and I have never had to use it for anything since its inception.
That's the new version of "it works on my computer" as an answer to people reporting bugs.
If you are selling second hand, use a different platform. No one is making you use marketplace.
You just lost access to 90--95% of buyers/sellers. How is it going?
There are online portals, calendars, and even emails that notify parents of students and events.
Great! All I need to do now is to convince the school to use them because beat me: I'm not in charge of their communication systems…
You can call you friends and find out how they are doing. You can also email to keep in touch
You must have misread. I do exactly that.
Stop posting everything about yourself and the internet and you should be telling your friends the same.
You must have misread: at no point did I write that I was posting anything. But I certainly don't dictate my friends what they should and shouldn't do.
You are just making excuses as to why you need it in your life and I have never had to use it for anything since its inception.
Unfortunately it forced all existing users to submit as well, but we already gave it a bunch of photos of ourselves before the beast had revealed itself
wdym? facebook automatically showed us it used facial recognition at least as far back as 2007 by asking us to click boxes on faces and subsequently asking us to label them... We really did all of the heavy lifting for them. -I got out while i could in ~2018
I haven't because I don't know if there is even a point, since afaik they don't actually delete anything, they just keep you from accessing it, and keep adding to it anything other people post about you.
after years of getting timeouts and jail for minor cussing, the robots perma-banned me with no explanation, just a link to community standards. was pretty tired of the endless bot/slop/spam in most groups. keep that self-clicking robot swarm. family has my number.
Imagine you volunteer in an organization where they mentor programming for people in second and third world countries.
And after reading your background with programming and learning that you are originally from one such country and also that you are bilingual for the one single country they currently operate to, they make you the social media manager and ask to make their facebook page where they post AI generated images and then forget about it in like 4 weeks.
They never started the mentorship program. Yes I am still pissed about it, how can you tell?
Facebook marketing across high schools and colleges is intense. And because it's such a pivotal platform, you kinda need to get one and build up a - let's call it a social credit score - just so you can endure admittance counselors and employers demanding to see your account as part of the screening process.
Sort of like getting a credit card as a teenager so you can prove you're credit worthy enough for an apartment or car loan in your twenties. You just have to post generic mundane bullshit on the timeline and join generic mundane groups so people see you as "normal".
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in reply to lemmylump • • •It is addiction just like any other. I felt like I can't quit it, I feel like I will lose connection with the friends and family that is still using it. That it keeps me informed and other BS.
After deleting it on 2nd try (after navigating the maze to delete, they gave 30 days to change mind, hoping I won't be able to resist and will log in. And of course I couldn't resist the first time and logged back in) I realized that I haven't lost anything of value and the people that I still matter I have other ways to contact.
It was just an illusion.
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in reply to gustofwind • • •Yeah I use it extensively for this.
If it asked me to verify and I couldn't use someone else's face it would be a tough decision.
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in reply to fizzle • • •One of the only good uses of Gen AI.
That being said, it's best to avoid any Big Tech products altogether if at all possible, even if Marketplace is incredibly purvasive.
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in reply to Default Username • • •That's a generalisation.
We have twins, 2 years old.
With kids there's loads of "stuff" that just makes the whole ordeal a lot more livable. Being able to buy all that stuff on facebook and re-sell for the same price has saved us a heap of money. Like thousands.
It's easy to say "oh well you should use whatever alternative platform", but honestly there's just no other ready market for this stuff.
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in reply to AmbiguousProps • • •It's just not really a thing here in Australia. I just checked and in my state (about 2 million people) there's a dozen ads or so across all categories.
A distant second to facebook marketplace is gumtree. I just had a look to see how popular that is and their site just seems to be down. Shits fucked really.
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in reply to Anon518 • • •Craigslist is better for finding apartments and roommates as well. Also finding handymen or off the books workers of any type.
Marketplace is good for used tools, selling stuff, buying stuff.
Nextdoor is a cesspool, populated by paranoids that find each other and reinforce their delusions, calling the police on "strangers," fielding grand conspiracies, and otherwise talking trash without cause.
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in reply to superglue • • •I tried to find something on marketplace a month ago. Dozens of posts because it's a super common item, all posts were a week or less old. None were legitimate. Every one was a scam, responses all leading to bullshit websites to buy, or users that never responded.
Has to get the item on Ebay instead because apparently they actually have basic scam prevention systems in place while Facebook apparently doesn't have shit.
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in reply to halcyoncmdr • • •eBay is horrific for actually finding something. The fact that you can't search for something inside a category blows my mind. And then no one completes the forms correctly so even if you add filters you still get shown a bunch of shit that doesn't fit. Then the sorting appears to be just random. Good luck finding anything locally that way, because then eBay doesn't get paid. Better pony up the extra money for shipping.
I use Craigslist with some success.
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in reply to lemmylump • • •I deleted my facebook account in 2022 and have essentially not been contacted by friends since, so there's that
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in reply to manuallybreathing • • •Have you tried to contact them outside of FB?
Perhaps you're just not friends.
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in reply to lemmylump • • •I moved to a new town recently. People don't give out their phone numbers to connect. They give out their FB and Instagram accounts. Not having either is perceived as weird.
Hope this helps.
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in reply to gladflag • • •I already said I recently moved. I've moved 3 times in the past 10 years and it's all the same. Maybe people used Snapchat or Instagram more often than Facebook when I was younger but it's all the same privacy invasive shit.
The majority tolerate it, that's why Meta is so successful as a company.
Hope this helps.
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in reply to manuallybreathing • • •Phone numbers + messaging apps is good way to stay connected.
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in reply to rose56 • • •To me, I dont care if my friends remember my birthday. I care if they are genuine friends and I have good conversations and laughs around them.
Someone remembering your birthday is just them putting a reminder in the calendar. Doesnt mean much, not to me at least.
So you have an actual human connection to these people? Friends could have a laugh over forgetting someones birthday, because its built on a real connection that doesnt go away over missing the small things.
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in reply to lemmylump • • •Through no fault of my own, the people I talk to (family) are tied to the FB ecosystem...and they are very resilient as to leaving it.
2026 will have to be the year of "please, for the love of all that is holy, can we switch to Signal"
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in reply to lemmylump • • •Aside from the already-mentioned marketplace, social networks like FB are fit well for localized giveaways. Where I am, the local analog of FB has groups where bakeries and cafes give out food remaining at the end of the day.
One population that this particularly pertains to are homeless people. Some folks get surprised when a homeless person has a smartphone, but it's a means for finding help and resources.
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in reply to [object Object] • • •Eh at least they presumably pay attention, moderate it, and tailor it to your country.
One of my issues with FB is that it mind as well be run from Alpha Centauri. There’s nothing “human” or local about, its a gaping maw mixed with tons of other predatory service.
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in reply to mudkip • • •I signed up for friendica, after 2 decades of having never used facebook.
It's blank, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
I can't comment on what the facebook experience is, but I imagine they don't just dump you onto a blank white page, with zero explaination.
Note that I am NOT defending or endorsing facebook. I'm just saying the decentralized services have work to do before they can fully be reccomended.
I also recently signed up for pixelfed. It took 3 days to login the first time. And I'm still not sure what the point of collections is. But I did upload 4 pictures.
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in reply to 1D10 • • •Other me wants his own social media accounts as well.
Did you sign up for the failed you and generic other you accounts from the same electronic device, the same IP? They should be able to tell it's the same person that is pretty weird.
1D10
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sagefisch
in reply to Zeon • • •What's next, mandatory DNA swabs for personalized ad experience?
New flash: if you are not paying for the product, you're the product.
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sp3ctre
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hector
in reply to roundup5381 • • •CrypticCoffee
in reply to roundup5381 • • •PierceTheBubble
in reply to Zeon • • •dis_honestfamiliar
in reply to PierceTheBubble • • •THIS!
I tried this to get an account. This was back in 2021. My account was deleted immediately. Probably a mixture of name and face. Maybe. But F that.
PierceTheBubble
in reply to dis_honestfamiliar • • •hector
in reply to PierceTheBubble • • •One wit responded to such requests for ID by sending in a picture of an id with pharoh ramsey's mummy's picture, birthdate thousands bc.
I never agreed to give them my personal information. My emails forced me to, locking me out of accounts I needed to access.
I now found alternative email that doesn't need a phone number or linked other email. I am quitting every site that tried to force me to link my phone number, real name, likeness, id, address, anything like that, without a valid reason.
Amazon just demanded I verify my account again, same ip, same account I've used for years. Verifying under the email I abandoned for forcing my phone verification periodically, that would lock me out of my accounts if I lost my phone or it's service. Trying to make good on my threats to quit them too.
PierceTheBubble
in reply to hector • • •Microsoft had me fill this form, to "prove" I was the rightful owner of the account, after some suspicious login-attempts from an African country. The form included fields like: name (I don't think I supplied at creation, or a false one), other email addresses, previous passwords (which potentially yield completely unrelated passwords), etc.; only for the application to be rejected and locking me out of my primary email for a full month. After that outright violation, I immediately switched to Disroot, and haven't had any of said problems ever since. I backup all its contents locally using Thunderbird, and delete the origins from the server afterwards.
Many platforms have this messed up dark pattern, of revoking one's access to a real-world dependencies, unless giving in to the service's demands. Enforcement of 2FA is another one of those "excuses" for this type of misbehavior, and so is bot-detection.
w3dd1e
in reply to Zeon • • •I have mixed feelings. Setting aside that Meta is a trash company, I wish no one used it, but unfortunately, it has replaced Craigslist in the US.
I see A LOT of fake accounts on facebook. I’ve seen people I know get all their photos stolen and used to scam men online. I’ve seen random clones of other accounts for people I know slinging crypto scams.
Facebook needs to do something about that. There are too many media illiterate people on Facebook to do nothing.
That said, I’d rather this not be the way they handled it.
cosmicrookie
in reply to w3dd1e • • •You describe a lot of terrible experience but also explain that it is a necessity because it has replaced Craigslist.
I'd assume one can manage without an online marketplace when given conditions like these?
I too miss the Facebook marketplace but I wouldn't give in to all this crap just to have access to it
nocteb
in reply to w3dd1e • • •baggachipz
in reply to w3dd1e • • •Exclusive | Why Facebook is a cesspool of scam ads -- and it's making billions off its phony 'tax' on fraudsters
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Unknown parent • • •Euphoma
in reply to Zeon • • •1984
in reply to Euphoma • • •"they required you"
Have you never thought that you can actually NOT do these things?
I mean, sure, maybe you had a good reason and you felt it was fine. But I wonder how many people just do what the screen tells them without realizing they can actually say no and be ok with the consequences.
Euphoma
in reply to 1984 • • •Well I didn't send it in. I just got oculus support to separate my facebook account from my oculus account, which at the time new standalone oculus accounts were not able to be created. So I found the only loop hole to make a new standalone oculus account.
This account was eventually migrated to the meta account system and still works while my facebook account still doesn't work.
NoForwadSlashS
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in reply to NoForwadSlashS • • •redti
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DoctimusLime
in reply to Zeon • • •hector
in reply to Zeon • • •I only use for marketplace as well. I've never submitted a picture of myself either, about the only person remaining in the country it appears. I felt weird about it for a while after absolutely everyone else did, now I feel vindicated.
The day they demand facial recognition is the day I quit using it, losing access to used goods be damned.
rose56
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in reply to Zeon • • •1984
in reply to Zeon • • •Are they the police?
Would never upload picture to American big tech service and im surprised people think thats something they agree to. I guess the addiction is too strong, to these shitty services.
selokichtli
in reply to 1984 • • •In my country, biometrics are now prevalent. I had a very hard time giving my face to my bank, but the government is on board with this because, they say, we have to combat money laundry. They are trying to tie EVERYTHING to our identities: biometrics, mobile phone number, official documents, bank accounts, they are all tightly tied already.
So, people feel like their biometrics are already out there, since they don't grasp the concept of attack surface. Until now, we need to give our biometrics to vote, to pay taxes, to get a passport, to get a drivers license (in some places), and to get a serious bank account. The only way we can deny biometrics is by not needing any of those services (very poor, and very rich people that don't like to travel the world). Under these circumstances, most people just give away their biometrics to anyone that asks, it's a given for them.
Notso
in reply to Zeon • • •quick_snail
in reply to Zeon • • •Weydemeyer
in reply to Zeon • • •People who are saying to just delete Facebook or don’t use it aren’t wrong of course (I say that myself, to be clear I hate FB); but as someone who tries to buy and sell things secondhand (I see it as being environmentally responsible), this is largely becoming impossible to do locally without Facebook Marketplace. I honestly have some grudging respect for Facebook’s ability to survive just when you think they might start to become irrelevant. Things were headed that way for them, then they bought Instagram. And then the last couple years, it was sort of common knowledge that the only people who use it anymore are old folks and Nazis… and then FB Marketplace kills Craigslist and becomes the only app people use for local buying/selling.
Idk maybe there’s some opportunity here for some local buy/sell federated service?
treeofnik
in reply to Weydemeyer • • •flohmarkt
Codeberg.orglambalicious
in reply to treeofnik • • •TrackinDaKraken
in reply to Weydemeyer • • •If buying shit at Goodwill and selling it online is how you choose to make your living, then I suppose you're "stuck" with FB.
But, if you are making a living at it, or significantly supplementing your income, then your privacy is the cost of doing business. At least you are profiting something from the deal.
sakuraba
in reply to TrackinDaKraken • • •what made you come to that idea? they didn't say they did it for profit but if you are broke (like me) or environmentally conscious you would try to buy things second hand when needed and sell whatever you don't need anymore (because the last time I checked everyone needs to pay bills)
they have a point, facebook is the website mostly used in my country where people buy and sell second hand and it still is my biggest regret after deleting my account
selokichtli
in reply to Weydemeyer • • •Zerush
in reply to Weydemeyer • • •No need of an Fakebook account that it can track you, if your family and friends have an account with your data, mail and phone in their agenda. With this also Zuckerbot know it. Apart of all (pixel)tracking API in all websites with an FB link.
Because of this, I've blocked all FB services in Portmaster, I can't even access it, but with it, I'm not longer exist for FB.
👇
brucethemoose
in reply to Zeon • • •Use a Google Voice phone number, and an AI generated photo/video.
You can even use augmentations to create different photos/videos of the same fake person. Or create an “altered” version of yourself close enough to match whatever Facebook has.
…Hopefully.
I’m in the same predicament. There's always eBay, but they take a fat cut on top of whatever is paid for shipping.
Mas
in reply to Zeon • • •TrackinDaKraken
in reply to Zeon • • •I don't even use facial unlock on my phone. I enter the pin every time.
Unfortunately, to access the Social Security site, I was required to send a picture of my face and driver's license. So, I suppose Trump will sell that to whoever want's to buy it now.
queueBenSis
in reply to TrackinDaKraken • • •nao
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in reply to Zeon • • •sakuraba
in reply to dan1101 • • •Skankhunt420
in reply to sakuraba • • •"Sorry, you appear not to be old enough to use the site"
Lol
procapra
in reply to Zeon • • •Facebook is what free'd me of having to interact with my local DSA /hj
Local DSA posts everything on facebook, I don't have facebook and won't post my face onto there to make it happen.
I email them but they just tell me check the facebook
I try to join the discord but they want to see me at events first, which I can't find, because they are posted on the facebook and I can only scroll down 3 posts before I get asked to login.
I give them my number and my signal but they don't reach out.
🙃
wickedrando
in reply to procapra • • •someone
in reply to wickedrando • • •Most of the public's awareness of technology is so naive as to basically stick their heads in the sand because they want the convenience and ease and are willing to overlook evil. So they don't care about supply chain evils, corruption that is embedded into the system, so they can scroll TikTok and watch netflix on their offtime, while using Klarma to pay the groceries. Real organization against organizers in which people aren't being data mined would require some technological awareness. The masses just don't have it.
They join political groups on Facebook then get data mined and classified into oblivion until a computer can process their views and give them a discounted ad-supported Netflix so they are less politically upset.
This is our world.
Zerush
in reply to Zeon • • •BeatTakeshi
in reply to Zeon • • •ohlaph
in reply to BeatTakeshi • • •macaw_dean_settle
in reply to ohlaph • • •matlag
in reply to Zeon • • •I see a lot of people saying "just don't use it".
If it was that easy…
In some places, FB has took the lion share of the 2nd hand online selling. Historical platforms are in agony and your chance of finding a buyer/seller dramatically reduce if you avoid FB maretplace.
In some places, FB is so common that schools, activities etc. are organized on FB. You don't have an account, no worry: you'll be the lone idiot to drop your kid at school the day it's closed because of a snow storm.
In some places, FB is the personal life blogging platform. So if you want to know about old friends you've left behind as you were relocating to different countries, you're going to miss on some quite important events (death in the family, etc.) as that's where they let people know.
In some places, if you want to build a network, that's where "everyone" is. You like trekking and want to find a group for that? They're all on FB. You want to play board games? Groups are all on FB.
The list goes on and on.
NewNewAugustEast
in reply to matlag • • •Yeah. Don't care. Won't use it. It's that easy.
Same for Instagram. Not doing something is easy.
someone
in reply to matlag • • •Right, when you apply for jobs, they want socials and indeeds and this and that, when you meet people they want to add you on Facebook. These are "private" companies, but because they are natural monopolies, they essentially become quasi-required parts of being able to function normally within society.
The right way to deal with this is to regulate the fuck out of the natural monopolies, but rich elitists who own the government by proxy and big surveillance tech have this symbiotic relationship where big tech surveils and secretly data mines the public (to blacklist and exclude potential risks to the system and monitor those people) and so it won't happen.
Republicans, hurt most by the blacklisting initially, were most likely to regulate big tech, ironically, but now money and ass-kissing of Republican leaders has changed the game and no one will fucking regulate them. All politicians who allow this to happen are either weak or whores, being paid to just perform a role of politician.
I_Has_A_Hat
in reply to someone • • •I've job hopped a lot, and literally no company has ever asked for my social media besides indeed, which I keep sterile clean. Actually, they've never even specifically asked for that either, that's just where I've applied through.
Our industries may differ though.
macaw_dean_settle
in reply to someone • • •macaw_dean_settle
in reply to matlag • • •Bullshit. I have never used facebook and I have never had an issue where I needed to.
If you are selling second hand, use a different platform. No one is making you use marketplace.
There are online portals, calendars, and even emails that notify parents of students and events.
You can call you friends and find out how they are doing. You can also email to keep in touch. Stop posting everything about yourself and the internet and you should be telling your friends the same.
You are just making excuses as to why you need it in your life and I have never had to use it for anything since its inception.
matlag
in reply to macaw_dean_settle • • •That's the new version of "it works on my computer" as an answer to people reporting bugs.
You just lost access to 90--95% of buyers/sellers. How is it going?
Great! All I need to do now is to convince the school to use them because beat me: I'm not in charge of their communication systems…
You must have misread. I do exactly that.
You must have misread: at no point did I write that I was posting anything. But I certainly don't dictate my friends what they should and shouldn't do.
"It works on my computer."
ErenOnizuka
in reply to Zeon • • •Happened to me on twitter. They wanted to open the front camera and look at my face and estimate my age.
I just went to thispersondoesnotexist.com on PC and showed twitter that image. They accepted it.
Cyrus Draegur
in reply to ErenOnizuka • • •nimeni133
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in reply to Zeon • • •Murdoc
in reply to los0220 • • •los0220
in reply to Murdoc • • •It would be more like a statement
And sending them a GDPR notice would be such a nice feeling, hope they will get fined by EU again
Nanowith
Unknown parent • • •someone
in reply to Zeon • • •This information goes right to the US government.
Anyone who doesn't think Facebook is an arm of the US government is naive at best.
quips
in reply to someone • • •sakuraba
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in reply to quips • • •ButtermilkBiscuit
in reply to someone • • •Wait until you hear what they do with your drivers license/ passport / or id photo.
But seriously fuck Facebook I wouldn't voluntarily give them anything.
Jolteon
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in reply to ftbd • • •Jankatarch
in reply to ftbd • • •Imagine you volunteer in an organization where they mentor programming for people in second and third world countries.
And after reading your background with programming and learning that you are originally from one such country and also that you are bilingual for the one single country they currently operate to, they make you the social media manager and ask to make their facebook page where they post AI generated images and then forget about it in like 4 weeks.
They never started the mentorship program. Yes I am still pissed about it, how can you tell?
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ftbd • • •Facebook marketing across high schools and colleges is intense. And because it's such a pivotal platform, you kinda need to get one and build up a - let's call it a social credit score - just so you can endure admittance counselors and employers demanding to see your account as part of the screening process.
Sort of like getting a credit card as a teenager so you can prove you're credit worthy enough for an apartment or car loan in your twenties. You just have to post generic mundane bullshit on the timeline and join generic mundane groups so people see you as "normal".
ftbd
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ftbd • • •Jolteon
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