When apps just get it...
Currently on an enjoyable journey of de-googling, upping privacy, data sovereignty and so on.
Apps that do this just get it.
like this
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Currently on an enjoyable journey of de-googling, upping privacy, data sovereignty and so on.
Apps that do this just get it.
like this
irate944
in reply to ropatrick • • •I jumped on their github page and skimmed a few issues, and found this:
github.com/aeharding/voyager/i…
It looks like they just need to figure out a couple of issues before they implement notifications, so it might happen someday. But taking into account how old these issues are, it's not their priority.
Push notifications
aeharding (GitHub)kingofras
in reply to irate944 • • •JayGray91🐉🍕
in reply to kingofras • • •While I am still trying to wean off reddit, seeing the equivalent mail icon light up on threadiverse does not entail dread like on reddit
At least for now since I've only been replying to whimsical, silly etc. posts and comments lol
Albbi
in reply to JayGray91🐉🍕 • • •🔻ietnoomer
in reply to kingofras • • •ferric_carcinization
in reply to 🔻ietnoomer • • •How so? At least, I don't think that they're important to Lemmy, as it's not about real-time person-to-person communication, but rather discussion about topics.
🔻ietnoomer
in reply to ferric_carcinization • • •It should probably facilitate discussions then 🤯 you can just silence & deprioritize notifications. The point is having it all in a unified feed. RSS does that well, but adding the RSS notifs of important shit + messages is helpful.
People often need to continue conversations to clarify information & elaborate... I can't believe I'm saying something this obvious. Shades of Mastodon users justifying suicidal design choices that were later rolled back here.
Nice ad for one of the apps that constantly pushes instances in the World (which blocks VPNs, nice privacy dumbasses!) social graph in multiple interfaces that are not adaptive to user experience
lemmy.world/post/11967676
... Show more...Specifically allowing VPN voting 🤔 what a curious ch
It should probably facilitate discussions then 🤯 you can just silence & deprioritize notifications. The point is having it all in a unified feed. RSS does that well, but adding the RSS notifs of important shit + messages is helpful.
People often need to continue conversations to clarify information & elaborate... I can't believe I'm saying something this obvious. Shades of Mastodon users justifying suicidal design choices that were later rolled back here.
Nice ad for one of the apps that constantly pushes instances in the World (which blocks VPNs, nice privacy dumbasses!) social graph in multiple interfaces that are not adaptive to user experience
lemmy.world/post/11967676
Specifically allowing VPN voting 🤔 what a curious choice. Lemmy.world users are so stupid that they don't even see the difference between having an anonymous account & having their IP scraped by random former Reddit mods. Raised in a barn, perhaps?
ferric_carcinization
in reply to 🔻ietnoomer • • •I'm not sure what the correct terms are, so I'll refer to in-app/in-client notifications as internal notifications and mobile-style out-of-app notifications as external notifications.
Based on what people usually refer to with the word "notification" in the context of social applications and messaging services, and your comment, I'm assuming you're talking about external notifications. If you mean all notifications in general, I've misunderstood your point and can ignore the rest of this comment. I do think that internal notifications are useful.
I'm not saying that external notifications are useless, but rather that I don't feel that they're as important as you seem to make it out to be.
Also, even if your Lemmy client doesn't support external notifications, Lemmy supports RSS, which you can subscribe to with a different application.
... Show more...Discussions do not have to be between only two people, others can continue where someone else left off.
I'm not sure what the correct terms are, so I'll refer to in-app/in-client notifications as internal notifications and mobile-style out-of-app notifications as external notifications.
Based on what people usually refer to with the word "notification" in the context of social applications and messaging services, and your comment, I'm assuming you're talking about external notifications. If you mean all notifications in general, I've misunderstood your point and can ignore the rest of this comment. I do think that internal notifications are useful.
I'm not saying that external notifications are useless, but rather that I don't feel that they're as important as you seem to make it out to be.
Also, even if your Lemmy client doesn't support external notifications, Lemmy supports RSS, which you can subscribe to with a different application.
Discussions do not have to be between only two people, others can continue where someone else left off.
This is true, but it doesn't require notifications outside of the client. For example, I noticed your reply as Lemmy's web UI showed that I had an unread message.
I don't mind continuing a discussion over multiple days, though I'm not sure if this applies to everyone.
Could you elaborate? I don't use Mastodon, as I don't see the value in "micro-blogging" and prefer to follow topics rather than people.
As for the rest of your comment, I too disagree with blocking VPNs & Tor to fix their CSAM problem, but I don't see how that is relevant to this discussion? Though I do not mind if you want to discuss that instead.
🔻ietnoomer
in reply to ferric_carcinization • • •Confining
in reply to ropatrick • • •hoagecko (he/his)
in reply to ropatrick • • •One thing to be aware of if you want to avoid matrix.org is that Matrix communities can restrict federation with other servers.
In fact, the official Codeberg Matrix space has adopted this setting, and I ended up having to create an account on matrix.org again.
`createRoom` which has federation off? · Issue #3164 · matrix-org/matrix-js-sdk
`createRoom` which has federation off?
woifes (GitHub)TachyonTele
in reply to ropatrick • • •steel_for_humans
in reply to TachyonTele • • •Kristell
in reply to TachyonTele • • •TachyonTele
in reply to Kristell • • •dubyakay
in reply to TachyonTele • • •TachyonTele
in reply to dubyakay • • •hesh
in reply to TachyonTele • • •cobysev
in reply to TachyonTele • • •Sync for Lemmy has a paid version that gets rid of ads. Its developer was one of the most vocal when Reddit started charging developers for access to their API. Sync for Reddit was one of the most popular third-party Reddit apps before then.
Its developer is also absent all the time. They poke their head in every few months, fix a bunch of problems, then disappear into the nether for an indeterminate amount of time.
I actually switched to Voyager because I was annoyed at how difficult it was to get anything fixed on Sync. And of course, Voyager is free.
TachyonTele
in reply to cobysev • • •Captain Beyond
in reply to Kristell • • •Free software is about freedom, not price. It is perfectly ok to sell free software. Even if Voyager cost money to download as long as it gives users the four freedoms it is free software.
As far as I know there are several non-free Lemmy apps as well as a handful of paid apps.
What is Free Software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
www.gnu.orgfavoredponcho
in reply to TachyonTele • • •Voyager for Lemmy
vger.appderanger
in reply to ropatrick • • •Sips'
in reply to deranger • • •freijon
in reply to deranger • • •jestho
in reply to ropatrick • • •ropatrick
in reply to jestho • • •cRazi_man
in reply to ropatrick • • •There's de-googling and privacy and all....thats all great. But it is a completely separate thing to take back attention from distractions, bullshit notifications and letting tech overlords reach into our daily lives and disrupting our focus and attention whenever they feel like it. Notification real estate is hugely valuable and the default for every app should be "off", with further fine tuning as needed. Better bulk settings are needed for notification settings adjustment.
about notifications recently.
- YouTube
www.youtube.comupandatom
in reply to cRazi_man • • •s38b35M5
in reply to ropatrick • • •MonkderVierte
in reply to ropatrick • • •I too disable notifications on all my news sources. They are reserved for personal connections only.
My dad on the other hand, often doesn't see my messages, because he has always the notification stack full and doesn't notice the new ones. Same in E-Mail inbox.
And can we please outlaw pre-selected newsletters? They are annoying anyway, if you don't actively choose them.
favoredponcho
in reply to ropatrick • • •aeharding
in reply to favoredponcho • • •HereIAm
in reply to aeharding • • •Ænima
in reply to HereIAm • • •They turned me into a newt!
blinfabian
in reply to ropatrick • • •no it doesnt get it, i actually tried to turn it on but they dont have the option :/
notifications off by default is good tho
https://lazysoci.al/u/B0NK3RS
in reply to ropatrick • • •Frontpage
p.lazysoci.alropatrick
in reply to • • •Can you tell me more about that? I was able to see this thread on those links but not familiar with Photon. I searched a bit but a few different techie things came up.
You had me at "don't even bother with most apps any more..." 😁
sompreno
in reply to ropatrick • • •astropenguin5
in reply to sompreno • • •sompreno
in reply to astropenguin5 • • •astropenguin5
in reply to sompreno • • •ropatrick
in reply to astropenguin5 • • •Hi folks.
It was mainly my joy that an app's default position is "we don't do notifications". I've never seen that before. Usually one is rushing to turn them off.
I guess its privacy on two levels; privacy from potential tracking, but also privacy from intrusion, constant attention etc.
I get that Lemmy is public and it could be irrelevant if my notifications are on or not. Its just such a refreshing position to see in an app.
WhyJiffie
in reply to sompreno • • •oh, I thought OP's point is Voyager does not even want you to bother with notifications that could make you more addicted
edit: someone else has taken it that way too: europe.pub/comment/7070900
cRazi_man
2026-04-17 14:30:01
sompreno
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to sompreno • • •sompreno
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to sompreno • • •ok. push notifications don't universally leak your data. apps can receive either the message contents in the push notification, which is unsafe (less so if encrypted), or a ping that there is some kind of a new notification, upon which the app can connect to the server to fetch them. Popular messaging apps probably do the former for some reason. in mattermost its configurable by the server operator but defaults to leaking data. safe messaging apps don't do this, they just send an empty notification or such, and the app checks in for updates. signal and matrix are like that, but in both cases they wouldn't even be able to send the message when it is encrypted.
but back to voyager: to be able to use push notifications, the server needs to send them. Lemmy does not have the capability for that, probably not even in the 1.0 version they are working on. so the way for Voyager to fetch notifications is to check in periodically instead of using a push service.
sompreno
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to sompreno • • •yes, it was that the phone was saving notifications to a database, because the notification history feature was not disabled by the user. but that affects non-push notifications too, and it only becomes a problem when your phone is compromised (malware, including police malware)
but if you don't trust your phone with not leaking your notifications, you shouldn't trust it not leak what you typed in and what you watch on it either, because the operating system has access to all of these too. in that case you are looking for a better phone brand, maybe even a custom rom that's known for privacy
WhyJiffie
in reply to sompreno • • •sompreno
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •PalmTreeIsBestTree
in reply to sompreno • • •ButteryMonkey
in reply to ropatrick • • •My partner recently decided to be privacy conscious specifically to spite me.
They responded positively to my desire to move back to signal for texting (used it when i was on android because iOS enforced a delay that caused messages to receive out of order), but decided to be shitty about it and punish me by deactivating all notifications including just name. Im the only one they talk to on it. So now I have to wait for them to get around to viewing my messages whenever their reminder goes off to check it.
Like.. that kind of defeats the purpose of moving communications over if i have to send them a text through imessage to tell them to check signal (they talked me into an iphone “for privacy” and it has been an absolute nightmare)
Meanwhile I have always had all notifications disabled or set to minimum, simply because notifications bug the hell out of me and i don't want them for any reason that isn't urgent, and they have constant app notifications. “IT security specialist” my asshole.
parzival
in reply to ButteryMonkey • • •Molly
molly.imButteryMonkey
in reply to parzival • • •Thank you for this.
For me, though, for telling people. Im presently on ios as is partner.
I genuinely appreciate it for myself and the friends who went to signal with me because i want us all to be safe. Like my ladyfriends who want to send sexy messages to their wierdo boyfriends. They all only signal now, instead of snapchat.
The individual in need of that message, though, The one you sent it for, will… never fucking listen. Years and years of effort. Zero result.
Spice Hoarder
in reply to ButteryMonkey • • •ButteryMonkey
in reply to Spice Hoarder • • •Nope, partner is a super broad term in this regard :)
No kids, don't live together anymore, they have problems I wont tolerate, and they are rebelling against growing.
Not really my problem, but idk what else to call them. Not friend, certainly, i have standards, but its also a hassle to entirely alienate myself from a social life. And i don't have anyone else nearby..
Sometimes life is more complicated than healthy/happy or not.
WhyJiffie
in reply to Spice Hoarder • • •Spice Hoarder
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •lonesomeCat
in reply to ropatrick • • •nixukty
in reply to ropatrick • • •HiramFromTheChi
in reply to ropatrick • • •I can’t emphasize how important it is for you to control your phone, especially notifications. Every notification is literally a mind hijacking attempt. Regardless of the type of notification, it’s something that disrupts our thinking and our flow.
Some of them are necessary—but most aren’t.
All the native apps will of course try to get as much permission from you as possible, including notifications. Don’t allow this permission freely.
Get really strict about which apps need to send you notifications, and when. Take it from a dude who used to give free reign to all apps for notifications.
Once I started thinking in a more digitally minimalistic way, it made a huge difference.
Running GrapheneOS actually helped with this a lot. But you don’t need GOS to do this and feel the difference.
I got some notifications turned on, but most of em are silent. So they still get delivered, but they’re not time-sensitive. They’ll be there when I check my phone next. I don’t need em interrupting whatever I w
... Show more...I can’t emphasize how important it is for you to control your phone, especially notifications. Every notification is literally a mind hijacking attempt. Regardless of the type of notification, it’s something that disrupts our thinking and our flow.
Some of them are necessary—but most aren’t.
All the native apps will of course try to get as much permission from you as possible, including notifications. Don’t allow this permission freely.
Get really strict about which apps need to send you notifications, and when. Take it from a dude who used to give free reign to all apps for notifications.
Once I started thinking in a more digitally minimalistic way, it made a huge difference.
Running GrapheneOS actually helped with this a lot. But you don’t need GOS to do this and feel the difference.
I got some notifications turned on, but most of em are silent. So they still get delivered, but they’re not time-sensitive. They’ll be there when I check my phone next. I don’t need em interrupting whatever I was doing or thinking.
TL;DR: Be strict about which notifications you allow, and when. It’ll do wonders for your thinking, productivity, and mental health.
ropatrick
in reply to HiramFromTheChi • • •Thanks for your thoughts. Totally agree.
I was in the verge of installing GOS but I think there is an issue with a first responder app that we are about to get access to, throwing errors of a phone seems to be rooted or similar, so I'll have to check that it more. If its a non issue, GOS will be in play.
HiramFromTheChi
in reply to ropatrick • • •