Reddit and FaceID Verification
Reddit CEO says facial verification may be introduced. Ostensibly to prevent bots.
But we all know how dangerous this can be. But most likely Reddit users will just accept it.
Although they have a great free analogue right under their noses - Lemmy. Which is many times better than its competitor.
I wish more people would discover Lemmy, but that's unlikely.
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onlinepersona
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •TheMinions
in reply to onlinepersona • • •BremboTheFourth
in reply to TheMinions • • •I'd be cautious about seeing that as good news. I'll always be suspicious of how many posts here are either partially or entirely automated, whether that means automatically reposting stuff from other sites, fully generated text, or just augmenting a human's posting.
I like to think we're too small for most botters to care about us, but who knows! As far as I'm aware, no one service has any reliable tools for spotting generated posts. No way are federated services prepared to deal with the insane influx of bots that would naturally come with being significantly more popular. Seems like all we have are captchas...
teyrnon
in reply to BremboTheFourth • • •eldavi
in reply to teyrnon • • •moakley
in reply to eldavi • • •eldavi
in reply to moakley • • •Buelldozer
in reply to TheMinions • • •Once there's enough people on the Fediverse it will get noticed by the Authorities and when that happens you'll see instances start shutting down as they are unwilling, or unable, to comply with the Age Verification and Social Media laws that are being passed all over the globe.
I'm somewhat surprised that the NSFW instances haven't already been hit by the Age Verification laws that many US States have but as soon as a single state, say Utah, notices the rest of them will pile on and the Fediverse will start to unravel.
This isn't just a US problem either, there's Age Verification and Social Media laws being proposed or already in effect in many Western Nations. Hell the two Australian instances are already afoul of the laws in their country so as soon as their Government notices they are going to have some difficult decisions to make.
SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to TheMinions • • •TheMinions
in reply to SuspciousCarrot78 • • •Ideally a more critical mass so I can talk about my more niche hobbies. Like looking at video game leaks.
Or something like /r/3d6 on reddit.
AnchoriteMagus
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Eager Eagle
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I'm sure they'll have no issues allowing bots that align with their interests
kautau
in reply to Eager Eagle • • •Yeah lol wat
openai.com/index/openai-and-re…
MoonMelon
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to MoonMelon • • •Reddit, very famously, used bot traffic at its inception to create the illusion of a community big enough to compete with Digg.
It was the OG "fake it till you make it" business.
As the company implements an increasingly draconian "ban every account that looks at me sideways" admin policy, I'm not sure if "2/3rds of the traiffc" isn't lowballing it. There are entire threads - from initial post to bullshit bottom comment - that get created by bot traffic on the modern site. It's a full blown hall of mirrors over there.
utopiah
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •Feels like 99% of "social" network startups. The dead Internet theory started before the LLM craze.
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to utopiah • • •Goes back to email. Easier to create a machine that churns out digital messages than find humans to do the work manually. So you get increasing loads of spam and gibberish, attempting to out-shout one another in a digital space with no bureaucratic regulation or material limits.
That said, one thing that made early social media like Facebook and MySpace and Livejournal appear valuable was the degree of human interaction. What's more, the interpersonal networks that formed between verified humans gave enormous value to communications across the platform.
Facebook did a pretty good job, early on, of limiting who could join based on authentication through college admin offices. MySpace had a large cohort of real human artists producing real human music, which attracted a real human following. Livejournal predated a lot of advertisement-by-blogging. After the Dot-Com bubble burst, this is where you could see green shoots of economic value in a digital space.
We've demolished all that chasing fictitious capital. How valuable it was in practice is debatable, o
... Show more...Goes back to email. Easier to create a machine that churns out digital messages than find humans to do the work manually. So you get increasing loads of spam and gibberish, attempting to out-shout one another in a digital space with no bureaucratic regulation or material limits.
That said, one thing that made early social media like Facebook and MySpace and Livejournal appear valuable was the degree of human interaction. What's more, the interpersonal networks that formed between verified humans gave enormous value to communications across the platform.
Facebook did a pretty good job, early on, of limiting who could join based on authentication through college admin offices. MySpace had a large cohort of real human artists producing real human music, which attracted a real human following. Livejournal predated a lot of advertisement-by-blogging. After the Dot-Com bubble burst, this is where you could see green shoots of economic value in a digital space.
We've demolished all that chasing fictitious capital. How valuable it was in practice is debatable, of course. But it's all gone now.
idiomaddict
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to idiomaddict • • •sakuraba
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •Take mine too. It's really funny how tumblr banned porn so all the gooners went to twitter and now tumblr is kinda healthy with a really vocal userbase that WILL backlash at any attempt on enshittifying the platform
The biggest con with tumblr is the CEO, but he's too busy making everyone distrust Wordpress.
UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to sakuraba • • •The ban of every website's existence.
Imaginary_Stand4909
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people.
But like in terms of real people posting? I don't even know if I've ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and "for you" feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually!
We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas.
idiomaddict
in reply to Imaginary_Stand4909 • • •Imaginary_Stand4909
in reply to idiomaddict • • •I say it like waffle + urn (or fern) = wahfern
I just know it's supoosed to be an acronym for "We Allow Female Representing Nipples" as a joking response to Tumblr's porn ban, which removed posts with "Female Representing Nipples"
theherk
in reply to utopiah • • •utopiah
in reply to theherk • • •krisevol
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •kamayatu24
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •PrimeMinisterKeyes
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil • • •davel
in reply to MoonMelon • • •Bluescluestoothpaste
in reply to MoonMelon • • •Prove_your_argument
in reply to MoonMelon • • •That's not the point of this.
The point of this is to remove unpaid/unauthorized bots. They want their engagement figures to look even better, and they don't want people offering up their ~~advertisements~~ propaganda without paying up.
Their goal will never be to eliminate bots because undoubtedly that is something they want to sell access to and use themselves.
By guaranteeing that certain posts are bona fide humans, their data is more valuable to sell for AI data as well... and they probably have a way to dox users with this too.
PhoenixDog
in reply to MoonMelon • • •kn0wmad1c
in reply to MoonMelon • • •Onno (VK6FLAB)
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •kamayatu24
in reply to Onno (VK6FLAB) • • •athatet
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •biggerbogboy
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •biggerbogboy
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Pika
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •astraeus
in reply to Pika • • •obvs
in reply to astraeus • • •Because of the current situation, on Reddit I tend to delete my posts older than about a month and then delete my account at least once a year, and register a new one with a randomly generated username.
It’s not because I’m malicious or intend to spam. It’s because I want to participate and to contribute, but am fearful of being arrested for behavior that is in no way violent, threatening, or dangerous, but which may be politically targeted. I don’t want my posts to make me a target, and I don’t want my posts to be tied together.
I use VPNs and block browser fingerprinting.
Before this, I had three accounts that were more than a decade old(one for personal stuff, one for work, and one for NSFW stuff, to keep everything separate).
But there is NO way in hell that I will use Reddit for even one day if there is a face ID requirement.
searabbit
in reply to obvs • • •yucandu
in reply to obvs • • •FYI that just makes you stand out like a sore thumb. With the current state of user tracking, it's better to blend in than to look like you're hiding something.
obvs
in reply to yucandu • • •Without blocking browser fingerprinting, they can identify your specific computer regardless of how many different accounts you use or how many different browsers you use.
Correct browser fingerprinting blocking does NOT block attempts to fingerprint. It just generates false information for their fingerprint detection tools.
teyrnon
in reply to obvs • • •So reddit admin targets me, no permaban because I abandon accounts after a second violation, or a first now, just in the first week, for something not even close to promoting violence that they held up on appeal.
Can I make an anonymous account? Like use a vpn, I already use a temporary email like guerilla mail to sign up. Or could I even use Tor to access? I actually kind of need it for networking on some of my work stuff.
quick_snail
in reply to astraeus • • •Even my 10 year old account is banned from posting. And I have thousands in karma.
They're doing some other non karma score now, which is probably ML fingerprinting or something.
Bilb!
in reply to Pika • • •I'm not saying you're wrong and I know many people assume that, but is there a clear source for this?
orc girly
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •So many redditors will become lemmurs
More seriously the biggest problem with lemmy adoption is that it has less content (even if the quality is better), I don't think every niche has enough people who'll bother to set up equivalent communities here and of course there's a learning curve too, but with some organization they could make the switch
Samsy
in reply to orc girly • • •yucandu
in reply to Samsy • • •birdwing
in reply to orc girly • • •Steve
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •"Come on. I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, HIT ME!"
atrielienz
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •schnurrito
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •wait wait wait reddit is against AI bots? news to me... documentingourdecline.substack…
(Why exactly would anyone believe that face ID verification can stop AI bots? Have they seen how well generative AI can generate videos of humans?)
AI Bots Appeared After Reddit Partnered with OpenAI
Documenting Our Declineageedizzle
in reply to schnurrito • • •schnurrito
in reply to ageedizzle • • •It's probably going to be even harder to prevent here because due to federation it's very easy to open multiple accounts across instances and no instance admin has full user data of accounts on other instances...
But it also provides the opportunity to move to instances (and their communities) where the problem is well-managed, if any exist.
ageedizzle
in reply to schnurrito • • •Dyskolos
in reply to ageedizzle • • •ageedizzle
in reply to Dyskolos • • •eldavi
in reply to ageedizzle • • •this is how i use lemmy (and the fediverse to a very large degree) and it gave me my reddit niches back to me.
Dyskolos
in reply to ageedizzle • • •ageedizzle
in reply to Dyskolos • • •- YouTube
www.youtube.comSuspciousCarrot78
in reply to ageedizzle • • •ageedizzle
in reply to SuspciousCarrot78 • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to ageedizzle • • •That's kind of the point.
You can selectively federate with instances you trust, rather than opening the floodgates to the entire fediverse all at once. Start small, allowlist specific instances, and expand from there.
You get the social connectivity without immediately inheriting everyone else's bot problem.
ageedizzle
in reply to SuspciousCarrot78 • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to ageedizzle • • •Dyskolos
in reply to schnurrito • • •Lemmchen
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats…
Hopefully we'll get some more MAU out of this.
Fediverse Observer checks all sites in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home from a map or list or automatically.
lemmy.fediverse.observerDyskolos
in reply to Lemmchen • • •ceenote
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I don't care, because reddit, but this makes me wonder if you can just have an AI generate a generic face and feed that in.
It's obviously not about bots. Isn't spez friendly with Peter Thiel?
kamayatu24
in reply to ceenote • • •Bluescluestoothpaste
in reply to ceenote • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to ceenote • • •You can and it's been done already.
Shitbook wanted photo for a new messanger.com account, so I gave them a nice AI generated one.
I'd rather not use messenger, but I have relatives that do, so am stuck.
What I find amusing is; people that say "hey, let me send you a message on _____" (insert WhatsApp, Insta, FB, Telegram etc) and are aghast when I say "sorry, don't have that. I can do phone or Signal?".
Lemmchen
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Okay, I think this is just ragebait. The real quote is:
Which isn't even closely the same as requiring manual ID verification. This is about requiring PassKeys with a special biometric confirmation requirement.
davel
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quick_snail
in reply to davel • • •trackball_fetish
in reply to quick_snail • • •Cows Look Like Maps
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •kamayatu24
in reply to Cows Look Like Maps • • •webdoodle
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •*** Except Reddit and partner owned bots, which will then have no competition for your attention.
Reddit is a pay to play psyop network, nothing more, nothing less.
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Mythra
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PrimeMinisterKeyes
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Nukitashi
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PhoenixDog
in reply to Mythra • • •Nah, other users won't know who you are.
But Reddit can sell your information and send police to your house if you joke about Israel.
001Guy001
in reply to PhoenixDog • • •Well, at least until the database inevitably leaks
pcmag.com/news/reddit-could-so…
Sure, "we don't want to know your name, we just have to know it or have to have another party that we have access to/a deal with know it"
PrimeMinisterKeyes
in reply to Mythra • • •Eternal192
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Buelldozer
in reply to Eternal192 • • •Lemmy will eventually be targeted by the various Age Verification and Social Media laws popping up all over the globe. More of them are being proposed and passed every week and the confusion and risk just grow higher.
As an example my home instance, lemmy.today, is run out of Washington State and they have proposed legislation that could impact us. HB2112 and HB1834 are just two examples.
Even if none of them pass in WA, and one of them surely will, it won't too be much longer before the NSFW instances in the lemmiverse start getting targeted by the wide range of States who already have such laws. Instance operators do not have the money to challenge these laws in court so their options will be: comply, shut down, or get fined into oblivion / risk jail time.
I'm not happy about it but in IMO Lemmy is living on borrowed time.
Bluescluestoothpaste
in reply to Buelldozer • • •FineCoatMummy
in reply to Bluescluestoothpaste • • •Well, sure, but it isn't JUST an American thing, even today. Like Buelldozer said, it's starting all over the globe. Some further than others ofc.
Some are starting to ban VPNs to prevent people from bypassing the ID laws. Not sure where it stands rn but some UK MEPs or w/e they're called in the UK were pushing for that.
Bluescluestoothpaste
in reply to FineCoatMummy • • •marighost
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Lemme get this straight
Genius play by Spez. (/s)
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in reply to kamayatu24 • • •quick_snail
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BlackEco
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •orc girly
in reply to BlackEco • • •I can't comment on that specifically, but it was reported by pcmag and others
JensSpahnpasta
in reply to BlackEco • • •LiveLM
in reply to BlackEco • • •teyrnon
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I'm glad they violated my account for a non violation and denied my appeal in the first week of opening a new account then. They aren't trying to make their moderation believable, I'm persona non grata for whatever reasons, to appease the administration I presume.
Fuck them, glad I stayed off. I kind of need the help on some stuff though, there just aren't enough people or communities on here yet.
eldavi
in reply to teyrnon • • •teyrnon
in reply to eldavi • • •eldavi
in reply to teyrnon • • •🍉 Albert 🍉
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ
in reply to 🍉 Albert 🍉 • • •Me too. I left a couple of years ago 😔️
I suppose I could rejoin, and leave again?
PhoenixDog
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ • • •I just did that, for the explicit purpose of entering a subreddit comp. Once that's done, I delete account. Completely mercenary.
Its quite funny to mentally flip the narrative like that. To think of a chat forum as a transactional pipeline instead of ... a place to talk to people. But that's what reddit forces.
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muusemuuse
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •chunes
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •PhoenixDog
in reply to chunes • • •traxex
in reply to PhoenixDog • • •maplesaga
in reply to chunes • • •rumba
in reply to chunes • • •Lucelu2
in reply to rumba • • •LiveLM
in reply to rumba • • •betanumerus
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •bridgeenjoyer
in reply to betanumerus • • •mcv
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •MrRandom
in reply to mcv • • •☂️-
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Steve2734
in reply to ☂️- • • •Silver Needle
in reply to Steve2734 • • •AngryCommieKender
in reply to Silver Needle • • •Funny way to spell Arch
/s
I don't use Arch, btw
TheLastOfHisName
in reply to Silver Needle • • •Silver Needle
in reply to TheLastOfHisName • • •Steve2734
in reply to Silver Needle • • •Silver Needle
in reply to Steve2734 • • •Angrydeuce
in reply to Steve2734 • • •Ditto!
Well that and they permabanned my 14 year old, 1million karma account for making a post that insinuated Donald is a pedophile that some MAGA got all upset about and they rejected my appeal.
So....fuck em.
Lucelu2
in reply to Angrydeuce • • •WoodScientist
in reply to Angrydeuce • • •LincolnsDogFido
in reply to WoodScientist • • •TheLastOfHisName
in reply to Angrydeuce • • •Taldan
in reply to Angrydeuce • • •I had a similar account that got banned for connecting to the wrong VPN endpoint. Clicked a random server from my VPN provider, suddenly my account was permanently banned with no ability to appeal
Thinking it was just some issue on my end (it was a non-standard looking ban), I logged into another OG account of mine, which also promptly got perma-banned
Extreme incompetence for them to be issuing perma-bans like that based on IP address
brbposting
in reply to Steve2734 • • •eldavi
in reply to ☂️- • • •Flyzeyez
in reply to ☂️- • • •Bosht
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •dukeSilver
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I hope they do it, so that they (Reddit) crash and burn.
I also hope they don't do it, so that we don't turn Lemmy into Reddit 2.0 due to max influx.
Realistically? If they do end up doing it, I wouldn't be surprised if no one over there bats an eyelid.
Point of order: Facebook already tried this
m.facebook.com/help/1590964641…
Remember: enshittification can only exists until the moment it induces enough friction. Then people push back. Cf online streaming in 2013 vs 2026.
We're not quite there yet. TBTB are doing a stellar job of increasing the water temp almost imperceptibly.
Facebook
m.facebook.commazzilius_marsti
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Silver Needle
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •MrRandom
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Innerworld
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Goldenring
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •reagansrottencorpse
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •bluejayway
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •eldavi
in reply to bluejayway • • •PolarKraken
in reply to eldavi • • •Plus...there is a LOT to talk about these days, and most sane takes have been effectively banned from all large platforms lmao, with people helping all this along by voluntarily censoring the DUMBEST FUCKING WORDS in their memes, even, just to further their own reach within those shit holes.
So. Yeah, Lemmy be political.
downvote_hunter
in reply to PolarKraken • • •eldavi
in reply to PolarKraken • • •Buckle up, it's about to get a lot worse when you won't even be allowed to use social media until you submit to a face scan like op was trying to share.
PolarKraken
in reply to eldavi • • •eldavi
in reply to PolarKraken • • •PolarKraken
in reply to eldavi • • •H3ckler26
in reply to eldavi • • •eldavi
in reply to H3ckler26 • • •you're doing the lord's work, thank you! lol
Atomic
in reply to bluejayway • • •I agree for the most part. But everything isn't just a different political view.
You're literally posting this in an instance where lots of people actively deny the extent of Stalins crimes. Justifying it as "some countries miss the soviet, so he can't have been that bad" as if the Soviet ended with Stalin and didn't continue on for decades after.
I don't know about you. But that is as far away from an echo chamber I think you can get.
H3ckler26
in reply to bluejayway • • •mnemonicmonkeys
in reply to H3ckler26 • • •There's Jerboa (the official one), Sync, Voyager, and over a dozen more different front ends.
Just search for Lemmy on Google Play or FDroid and you'll find options
H3ckler26
in reply to mnemonicmonkeys • • •minorkeys
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •rumba
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in reply to kamayatu24 • • •HrabiaVulpes
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Evil_Shrubbery
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Not the best choice of word.
pineapple
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in reply to PumpkinSkink • • •H3ckler26
in reply to HertzDentalBar • • •auntieclokwise
in reply to pineapple • • •turdburglar
in reply to auntieclokwise • • •well clearly that’s because we should disable them and dismantle them for parts.
get with it, raider. arc don’t play.
Paranoidfactoid
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in reply to Paranoidfactoid • • •SirMaple__
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in reply to IEatDaFeesh • • •welfare_wizard
in reply to ArgentRaven • • •UltraGiGaGigantic
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in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •Marasenna
in reply to IEatDaFeesh • • •pazuzuzu
in reply to SirMaple__ • • •Scubus
in reply to pazuzuzu • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to pazuzuzu • • •I (mildly) am concerned about that also...but bear in mind...the difference between Lemmy and Reddit is you can..defederate...from known bad instances. If Lemmy goes in that direction - and we undertake the idea I mentioned here - lemmy.world/post/44633911/2282…
then we can basically recreate a blacklist / whitelist (ala AdBlock). Instance-wide crawlers can still scrape public data, but that's an ActivityPub protocol constraint, not a Lemmy failure.
Instance crawling with bots? Sorry, no soup for you.
Spam bots on bad instances? Blocked from your feed.
Peak "fine, I'll do it myself" energy? Yes. But if you're reading this, you're 1) part of the resistance (lol) and (2) already here, so ...
Programman4233
in reply to pazuzuzu • • •pazuzuzu
in reply to Programman4233 • • •low
in reply to SirMaple__ • • •You have to pick a server.
I promise you, that's why
Hominine
in reply to low • • •We'll get another influx before too long; maybe a "you need to be this clever to ride the ride" checkpoint isn't such a bad thing.
low
in reply to Hominine • • •robocall
in reply to low • • •Selecting a server wasn't an issue for me. The RIF app told me to go to .world and I quickly decided it was the right instance for me to start.
I moreso had to adjust to the slower pace and less engagement on Lemmy compared to reddit, the lack of niche communities, my favorite subs not having a perfect equivalent here.
I was super pissed off with reddit and am still salty, so my anger committed me to making the commitment to Lemmy. I was addicted to reddit and they took away the app I was using for over 10 years. I wasn't ready for the breakup and was scorned. I was highly motivated to make Lemmy work for me.
Users need that level of anger and outrage to motivate them.
SkaveRat
in reply to SirMaple__ • • •BlackPenguins
in reply to SkaveRat • • •SkaveRat
in reply to BlackPenguins • • •yeah. and even in the generic tv show communities there are maybe a couple people discussing a new episode, if at all.
Compared to thousands for a popular show.
heck, even star trek is barely active compared to reddit. and they did an official migration in the beginning
Shellofbiomatter
in reply to SirMaple__ • • •It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling.
Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular.
And maybe a centralized place to find different instances?
Like i haven't found any active fitness related ones.
It's like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel.
birdwing
in reply to Shellofbiomatter • • •Centralisation of power is in the first place why we moved away from Reddit. Fuck that.
You can find your own fitness sidelemmy. There are actually a few I found.
Shellofbiomatter
in reply to birdwing • • •Completely fair, just the difference and lack of constant flow of content is going to put off many people and without a significant enough drive there's no point to get used to the new environment.
Mind pointing me in a the right direction?
RabbitBBQ
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •daannii
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •TarnFan
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Flyzeyez
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Raven
in reply to Flyzeyez • • •The moment you state a fact or something that the folks at Reddit don't like, you'll get banned. And it will be a deep ban. You create a new account on same device without sanitizing it , use same network without VPN or join the same subs right after signup, you'll get another ban.
Best way is to signup on a device, browser and network you never used before, use VPN if you use the same network. Use an email that you've never used before. Stay low for 10 days, join random subs here and there and make some subtle comments, maybe a few posts to act genuine. Then for five days, make your 20% activity without VPN, don't cut VPN entirely because that raises the flag. Keep using the same device and browser for at least 30 days.
Then you can start casually switching to your main devices and network. Stay low for 10 more days when you switch back before joining the same subs where you got banned. This often beats the automated checks and the system doesn't connect the dots for links between your banned account(s) and new one.
H3ckler26
in reply to Raven • • •Flyzeyez
in reply to Raven • • •conartistpanda
in reply to Raven • • •Meanwhile folks saying stuff reddit likes be like
Raven
in reply to conartistpanda • • •Shellofbiomatter
in reply to Raven • • •That's good to know.
I was wondering and testing the exact pattern to avoid shadowbans. I'm just bored after getting permabanned and got curious what methods they use to give out shadowbans.
Few specifying questions, if you don't mind.
On the part without VPN. Wouldn't that get a usual ban? Or it's already beyond that scanning timeframe after 10d.
And you mentioned browser. Is it specifically browser and app usage must be avoided or was it just an irrelevant word choice and app can be used as well?
Additionally, wouldn't just aging the account by 30d work or the no activity part still gets flagged by the system?
Raven
in reply to Shellofbiomatter • • •It's complex to answer. Reddit's permanent ban is too strict.
They look at your IP address, cookies, local storage, your linked IDs if you linked them (phone number, email address, Google account, Apple ID, etc.), browser metadata, your digital fingerprint like WebGL data, WiFi BSSID, the app also keeps a note of the IMEI number of your device.
And I've read this somewhere that their AI moderation keeps an eye on your language that you type in, the words you use often and activity timing. I am not sure about this claim but they probably do it. System links all these activities with accounts that have banned in the past and if they find more than 5-7 very obvious links, you get another ban.
The system stays on high alert for first 10 days of suspicious activity on your account. It gradually lowers the flagging by 30 days but its still a risky zone. One mistake and it picks the flag. You have to clean your browser before you use it again on your main browser. Uninstall and reinstall in many cases, clearing any session data, cookies and even %TEMP% files and cache f
... Show more...It's complex to answer. Reddit's permanent ban is too strict.
They look at your IP address, cookies, local storage, your linked IDs if you linked them (phone number, email address, Google account, Apple ID, etc.), browser metadata, your digital fingerprint like WebGL data, WiFi BSSID, the app also keeps a note of the IMEI number of your device.
And I've read this somewhere that their AI moderation keeps an eye on your language that you type in, the words you use often and activity timing. I am not sure about this claim but they probably do it. System links all these activities with accounts that have banned in the past and if they find more than 5-7 very obvious links, you get another ban.
The system stays on high alert for first 10 days of suspicious activity on your account. It gradually lowers the flagging by 30 days but its still a risky zone. One mistake and it picks the flag. You have to clean your browser before you use it again on your main browser. Uninstall and reinstall in many cases, clearing any session data, cookies and even %TEMP% files and cache files from your root folder.
I am not sure about the app though, a friend of mine had a secondary phone where he used Reddit, he was able to evade the ban only by factory data resetting the device and then installing the app from a new Google Account. I never really used the app, I am not a phone person, I use my laptop most of the times so don't know how the app thing works.
Shellofbiomatter
in reply to Raven • • •I've reached to similar conclusion myself after some testing and words of some moderators of subs.
I was thinking about testing it out on a virtual machine, but it's probably easier to just move over to alternatives. I'll probably still give it a shot at some point when I'm bored.
Though thank you for elaborating more.
Raven
in reply to Shellofbiomatter • • •driving_crooner
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •FoundFootFootage78
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •P00ptart
in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •auntieclokwise
in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •Reddit, Meta, and Google Voluntarily Gave DHS Info of Anti-ICE Users, Report Says
Mike Pearl (Gizmodo)FoundFootFootage78
in reply to auntieclokwise • • •yeehaw
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •MML
in reply to yeehaw • • •Raven
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •eldavi
in reply to Raven • • •Lucidlethargy
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Gelik
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •stumu415
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •However in most cases, like myself, only made a comment without any harm or even a reference to violence. I only commented that ICE can forget about their payments and bonuses and that in 3 years time, they'll be sucking immigrant cock behind a Wendy's.
That got me a perma ban after 15 years on Reddit.
All these tech bros are bending the knee and getting taken from behind. Such short term thinking will become their downfall.
If this happens, it'll be a good thing for Lemmy.
zemo
in reply to stumu415 • • •Shellofbiomatter
in reply to stumu415 • • •auntieclokwise
in reply to Shellofbiomatter • • •RedEye FlightControl
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •poopy
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •turdburglar
in reply to poopy • • •poopy
in reply to turdburglar • • •turdburglar
in reply to poopy • • •i do. tbh i don’t notice a difference really, but i like having more than one account after my first home instance shuttered. i opted for piefed on the ios app blorp.
the blorp dev roams these halls and seems pretty friendly and dedicated to making it better all the time.
moseschrute
in reply to turdburglar • • •poopy
in reply to moseschrute • • •moseschrute
in reply to poopy • • •Great to have you! The web version is also worth a try if that interests you. My goal is one unified web and mobile PieFed and lemmy experience.
blorpblorp.xyz/
Blorp – A Threadiverse client for Lemmy and PieFed
Blorppoopy
in reply to moseschrute • • •moseschrute
in reply to poopy • • •Could you try this little experiment I setup on web? It has a theme dropdown in settings. This is a very janky proof of concept for themes, which will likely change a lot before it gets released. But just to give you an idea.
claude-add-theme-system-5d8n.b…
Blorp – A Threadiverse client for Lemmy and PieFed
Blorppoopy
in reply to moseschrute • • •moseschrute
in reply to poopy • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to poopy • • •poopy
in reply to turdburglar • • •H3ckler26
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •MortUS
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •More lowkey polymarket advertisements.
Why is it the only place I see polymarket is on Lemmy screenshots?
TheKingBee
in reply to MortUS • • •I'm so used to ignoring who tweets are from that I didn't notice till you mentioned it and scrolled back up, lol
As someone with a problematic relationship with alcohol, from a family of the same, i get addiction, but I don't get gambling. The way it's become normalized by society is so weird to me.
Anarki_
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •6stringringer
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •NihilsineNefas
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on.
Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm must be nothing.
python
in reply to NihilsineNefas • • •Okay, but wouldn't it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
in reply to python • • •NihilsineNefas
in reply to python • • •docgerbil
in reply to NihilsineNefas • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to NihilsineNefas • • •NihilsineNefas
in reply to SuspciousCarrot78 • • •GreenShimada
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •dotCody
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Wilco
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •(Im banned from Reddit for posting Luigi gifs ... and guillotines)
Sisyphe
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •MaXsteri
in reply to Sisyphe • • •yabbadabaddon
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •thenewy0u
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •It is only unlikely if no one knows about lemmy. I found it yesterday and will keep shilling it on reddit until they ban me over there. From then on I will stay here.
Edit: typos
developer
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •sunbytes
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Alaknár
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution).
The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they figured out how to VPN through the Netherlands. There are whole communities where bots discuss bot-posted content. And I have no doubt in my mind that it will also happen on Lemmy as soon as there's even a hint of profit* to be found.
* "profit" not as in "monetary gain", but as "any kind of gain, be it money, influence, propaganda, chaos", etc., etc.
World ID by World - Digital proof of human for the internet.
WorldMelvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •AnotherUsername
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Melvin_Ferd
in reply to AnotherUsername • • •So a computer can't ever truly generate a random number but it can generate total random dialogue.
I think we just didn't make an effort to catalog and look hard enough to identify these patterns.
I feel like if we started to truly look at the most obvious place we could see a lot of things that can be used to identify.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Think of it this way: there are billions of types of online interactions where detection is either impossible (an image or link post) or extremely difficult (general conversation where sometimes even humans don't sound like humans due to slang/education/etc).
Not only that, you'd end up with a "tug of war" where the existence of such detectors would power the improvement of the bots, which would require the improvement of the detector (which is always more difficult).
And the other option is an anonymous token that defines you as a human user. Which is simpler and cheaper to implement?
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •I think you're wrong. Completely wrong. There are billions of messages but any intelligent person knows you don't go through each one by one.
Do you ever see those guys who can look at a picture of a tree in a field and identify where it is in the world. There's billions of trees. How do they do that with precision?
Classification.
They can train their bots on whatever they want. The human is smarter. If they tune them, you use the methods and knowledge learned and adapt. Like generating random numbers, there's limits almost always. You don't find them by inaction.
4chan a website full of racist, neo nazi and pedophiles were just goofing around and they do insane OSNIT research. Lemmy is fucking around with beans and moths. I don't know. I'm just saddened by the state of things and how much better everybody else is at things I always thought the left was good at. It's just been eye opening to see.
AnotherUsername
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •"the left" is not a monolith. A lot of people have various relationships with"the left". I don't identify with "the left" much because I disagree, strongly, with being put in a groupthink box. I happen to have some beliefs that the groupthink box on the left has vhemently and painfully attacked me for. But I also REALL REALLY REALLY think the right is wildly wrong, because they're being simplistic, stupid, and very very corrupt. And I STRONGLY object to corruption. I happen to genuinely and unironically love my country and the promise of a fair chance for all. I love clean water. Clean air. A healthy wilderness ecosystem you can spend time in. Hard work that does good for the world. I love the freedom to research, honestly, and speak freely and without fear.
I don't see the right sharing some key parts of those values these days. But I'm concerned the left has become too inactive, too sullen, too much a party of victims who lash out reactively.
Don't have a solution yet except to vote.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.
You say it like "tuning them" is a magic trick, where they wave their hands a couple of times, and now the detection algorithms are smarter than the bots writing the comments. SOMEONE has to go in, and figure out the maths to make the detection algorithms smarter and better at detecting. That takes time and resources.
You're also forgetting that "tuning them" works both ways. The people writing the shit-post bots also work on improving their tools, to make them indistinguishable from human posts.
Also: how can you tall that "lol, kys noob" is written by a human, or by a bot? The vast majority of comments online are these short shit-comments.
... Show more...So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.
You say it like "tuning them" is a magic trick, where they wave their hands a couple of times, and now the detection algorithms are smarter than the bots writing the comments. SOMEONE has to go in, and figure out the maths to make the detection algorithms smarter and better at detecting. That takes time and resources.
You're also forgetting that "tuning them" works both ways. The people writing the shit-post bots also work on improving their tools, to make them indistinguishable from human posts.
Also: how can you tall that "lol, kys noob" is written by a human, or by a bot? The vast majority of comments online are these short shit-comments.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •I don't know where this is coming from. Nobody is being hired. If anything I'm becoming more anti-mod lately. I feel like put boxes on things that suck oxygen out of the room rapidly. But that's a different discussion.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but to clarify I am not saying we need to build our own bot detection but I would be a nice have eventually. I am saying we should be crowd sourcing our collective anger and ADHD or Autism or whatever drives us to post bean moth lemmy slop and instead focus on collection of the worst bot infestations. There are patterns. Bots are not random enough that they can't be identified with large crowd sourced efforts. They're also in their infancy which means it will only get harder going forward.
You or I aren't able to avaliable accurately tell right now. Have you ever seen the Sinclair news video? The one where every news station repeats the same dialogue. Can you or I flip
... Show more...I don't know where this is coming from. Nobody is being hired. If anything I'm becoming more anti-mod lately. I feel like put boxes on things that suck oxygen out of the room rapidly. But that's a different discussion.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but to clarify I am not saying we need to build our own bot detection but I would be a nice have eventually. I am saying we should be crowd sourcing our collective anger and ADHD or Autism or whatever drives us to post bean moth lemmy slop and instead focus on collection of the worst bot infestations. There are patterns. Bots are not random enough that they can't be identified with large crowd sourced efforts. They're also in their infancy which means it will only get harder going forward.
You or I aren't able to avaliable accurately tell right now. Have you ever seen the Sinclair news video? The one where every news station repeats the same dialogue. Can you or I flip on the news any day of the week and call that out, unlikely. But we can logical understand it is something that happens. It becomes obvious there is a script only when you collect the data and begin to analyze it. That is what I'm saying we need to figure out and gamify.
Name generation, text, patterns. At the start it won't be accurate. But as more data is collected it'll become obvious. If the bots were that good, these websites would have left their APIs open. But they closed them so we can't collect this data. I'm the type of person when powerful people do something like that, I want to know why and work around that. It's not a coincidence that they locked their sites up when people were given tools where anyone could collect data and feed it into AI for analysis.
Our inaction to do anything when the greatest opportunities are right in front of us but slipping away is a tragedy of this generation.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •That's what "being a moderator" is, mate. You want hundreds of thousands of moderators.
You're wrong.
You just said:
So, which is it?
... Show more...There's a massive difference between local news stations receiving a script to read out, and a bot farm hav
That's what "being a moderator" is, mate. You want hundreds of thousands of moderators.
You're wrong.
You just said:
So, which is it?
There's a massive difference between local news stations receiving a script to read out, and a bot farm having a "be negative, unfriendly, sow chaos" instruction.
So, it just won't work? Got it.
I don't think you undersand what you're talking about. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be contrarian here, I just honestly think that your idea of "AI bots" is kind of like "we have prepared one million sentences, and now our bots will be picking between them to generate whole posts on social networks".
I mean, sure, there can be patterns - like the whole "LinkedIn post" style, where most of the time it's fairly obvious that you're reading an AI-generated slop... But that's not what state-entities or even just hackers use. They have access to much more sophisticated content.
Reddit's API is no longer open. Didn't do a thing to stop bots.
You don't need however many API keys to collect that kind of data. At least not from Reddit.
Your proposed action is the equivalent of Sisyphus and his stone. Because you really seem to be forgetting that the AI tech is getting better all the time. And that any AI-detection actions you take feed that process. "Oh, they've detected these posts? OK, let's tweak the algo until we get through and then flood them with our content".
Let's even assume that you somehow pull it off and get a 100% detection rate as of right now. Six months down the line that will go down to 20%. Etc. etc. And you'll be catching thousands of legitimate users in the crossfire.
An anonymous "proof of humanity" token solves all AI issues without anyone having to spend billions on research and manpower.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •It's just building and gamify strategically. There's no magic here. It works. Bots can adapt all they want. They're still constraint and limited by technology and money.
What is magic is humans ability to use inference and deduction to see things that are not right in front of us. It's hard to see this online especially the way some conversations go.... but regardless of that, people could easily detect patterns that are used in the wild. We just need data. Lemmy communities are perfectly set up for this for now.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •How much of what I wrote so far was done via an LLM?
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •That's not the point. There is no issue with random people using LLM to craft their messages. The issue is using a network of bots to promote the latest marvel movie. Draw attention to the latest political blunder. Or just groups trying to push people further to the edges politically until nothing works.
Look at this fucking guy. Likely not a bot. But is an example of someone who is posting pattern is suspicious. It needs to be studied. That's something we can't do. But we can collect and analyze in a way that i think people can get into. I think using the internet and sites like lemmy for this is way more effective any most stuff people are trying to do. This he what the internet was made for and the only people not using it for this seems to be leftist groups.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •You have just defined why your method doesn't work.
You either detect AI by their language or you don't.
But, I think, I know what you mean. Your idea is like Bat-sonar, the super-totally-not-magical computer he built in the second or third Nolan film that allowed him to spy on everybody and thus detect crimes faster.
You want a system that would monitor ALL content online and detect "patterns". Like, "huh, weirdly, we have XXX number of people writing positively about the new JJ Abrams film", or "check it out, in the past hour we've had 43243 comments negative about MAGA".
Right?
If so: mate... You require literal magic to pull it off. WAY too many false positives or just impossible to trace dependencies. You would have to not only monitor fo
... Show more...You have just defined why your method doesn't work.
You either detect AI by their language or you don't.
But, I think, I know what you mean. Your idea is like Bat-sonar, the super-totally-not-magical computer he built in the second or third Nolan film that allowed him to spy on everybody and thus detect crimes faster.
You want a system that would monitor ALL content online and detect "patterns". Like, "huh, weirdly, we have XXX number of people writing positively about the new JJ Abrams film", or "check it out, in the past hour we've had 43243 comments negative about MAGA".
Right?
If so: mate... You require literal magic to pull it off. WAY too many false positives or just impossible to trace dependencies. You would have to not only monitor for these patterns, but also associate them with any real-world events (ALL events), because maybe a Polish nationalist politician said something about the financing methods of their military, which got popular on russian Twitter, got a funny anti-MAGA retweet by a Ukrainian, ended up as a reaction video on British TikTok, and got posted to Reddit where it got upvoted to r/All and received 43243 100% legitimate comments complaining about MAGA.
Funnily enough, if anything, MAYBE a complex enough AI system would be capable of finding these patterns, but there's absolutely no physical possibility of humans doing that.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •Hey,
What do you think crowd sourcing means. Like what is your definition in relation to building whatever it is you're describing. How did you get there?
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •It means a bunch of people doing working in very narrow fields that need to be connected by someone with an overarching view, but there are so many so small fields, that it's impossible for a human to handle. In this particular case.
Unless you figured out telepathy. Then I retract my statements - a large enough network of directly connected telepaths could do this.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •No it doesn't. That's not it. And this is how i know you're just a terminally online individual arguing out of instinct rather than common sense. Il not be commenting further.
But to my point. Crowd sourcing these things works. It's a missed opportunity in these early days to be passive and more concerned with bean posts.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •You just replied with a "nuh-uh!" and call me "terminally online"? That's a good one.
You seem know a bunch of buzz-words that you don't fully understand, like "crowd sourcing" in this instance. It's like a magic wand, "just crowd source it, and it'll just work", without realising that - again, unless telepathy is involved - a crowd is still just a bunch of individuals. Without instantaneous real time communication no single individual can spot such a massive pattern as those you are after. Without spotting the "big picture", the whole thing is pointless.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Again: you're throwing buzz-words around as if they're explanation enough. I'm calling your thinking magical because it is.
Prove me wrong by explaining how do you envision coordinating "crowd sourced pattern spotting" (something that has never been done in the history of mankind, because it "crowd" and "pattern spotting" are almost direct opposites).
There are no "personal reasons" for me saying what I'm saying, nor are my comments "attempts at discrediting". There's literally nothing to discredit here, mate.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •GUDEA
GUDEAAlaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Alaknár • • •It's evidence that it works. That the missing piece is the crowd source. You said it's impossible and magical. That is wrong. A problem is the datasets are from before the APIs were locked down. It's hard to get new data. New methods are needed.
Dataset is too technical for what I'm saying. But it's still important here. Communities should be built to combat bots, not ignore the problem. There are ways to identify activity and observe and even interfere to the point that it either costs them too much to keep up or makes them ineffective. But there needs to be the community to build that awareness. Instead it seems like the people that are disadvantaged by these networks and bots also have this mentality to ignore and avoid it all.
Alaknár
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •The company you linked is 11-13 people. That's not crowd sourcing, it's just AI doing the work.
So, which is it? Crowd sourcing, or AI fighting AI?
Yeah, the way you were voicing it originally (crowd sourcing through communities) requires magic. If you're suddenly OK bringing in AI of your own, sure, but then you don't need crowd sourcing - as in the example you yourself posted, a dozen people can do this.
... Show more...You don't need APIs to do this work. You can easily write clients that just read comments as they appear through regular browser clients. The API lock-down was about preventing people from interacting and posting with the content outside of the official app. Yo
The company you linked is 11-13 people. That's not crowd sourcing, it's just AI doing the work.
So, which is it? Crowd sourcing, or AI fighting AI?
Yeah, the way you were voicing it originally (crowd sourcing through communities) requires magic. If you're suddenly OK bringing in AI of your own, sure, but then you don't need crowd sourcing - as in the example you yourself posted, a dozen people can do this.
You don't need APIs to do this work. You can easily write clients that just read comments as they appear through regular browser clients. The API lock-down was about preventing people from interacting and posting with the content outside of the official app. You can read content just fine (as far as I'm aware, correct me if I'm wrong).
Communities can't do much about it. Sure, they'll ban a bot of five, but your own example showed where the problem lies - you yourself can't tell if a certain user is a bot, or just a propagandist (or passionate about a topic??). Just recently there was a poster on r/cats (or some such) who was banned by mods for being a bot posting AI slop. They had to register a new account, and re-post their photos with a piece of paper with the date and the cat next to each other, the cat just looked weird. But the community mass-reported the post, and the mods didn't notice that it was all legit.
Community work would not work here, it's been proven a billion times already (see: Brexit, 2016 US elections, Romanian elections, Slovenian elections, etc., etc., where network and social media content analysis showed after the fact that there were hundreds of thousands of bot accounts posting russian propaganda).
Much like OP, I agree.
ThisIsABlandUsername
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •ThisIsABlandUsername
in reply to Alaknár • • •FG_3479
in reply to Alaknár • • •Alaknár
in reply to FG_3479 • • •There are alternatives we could use.
A bunch of European countries already have "e-IDs" that can share very limited data with a service provider. For instance, Sweden has "Bank ID" (ID generated by you bank), which you can use to, for example, sign in to your housing association's website. This gives them your name and registered address, immediately giving you the site for your particular community.
You could use a system like that to send only the "this is a human" token. Potentially also "this is an adult", without giving away any of your personal details, including your date of birth.
BilSabab
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •kamayatu24
in reply to BilSabab • • •BilSabab
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •zemon
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •BarneyPiccolo
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •Reddit has had a big problem for a long time, and it has probably only gotten worse. I wouldn't know, because I, an actual human with an opinion, was permabanned in the post-Inauguration bloodbath.
So let the bots run wild, and finish destroying Reddit.
zebidiah
in reply to kamayatu24 • • •SuspciousCarrot78
in reply to zebidiah • • •RedReader still works (for now) - and it's magnificent.
f-droid.org/packages/org.quant…
RedReader | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
f-droid.orgdreadbeef
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in reply to mwdc1039 • • •FatVegan
in reply to AnotherUsername • • •Linken
in reply to AnotherUsername • • •I've been on reddit for 15 years (on and off again, deleting my accounts and then re-signing up later).
I'm looking forward to a fresh start here.
Velma
in reply to Linken • • •Welcome! It definitely is quieter in ways here, but I find that actually engaging in conversation is better. There's more real people here.
But this place also has the downfalls that early Reddit and 4chan had. Still better than current Reddit by miles!
AnotherUsername
in reply to Velma • • •I don't feel like I'm constantly sorting through low quality bot shit to find a human with authentic human expertise.
I do miss the long chains of wordplay, the sense of humor and fun. But Reddit gave that up for ragebait ages ago.
birdwing
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in reply to LoafedBurrito • • •Something something China owns Reddit, something something Trump pissed of China, something something oblique humor here.
Am I doing it right?
[This is a meta-commentary on why I left reddit, thank you for participating]
orc girly
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in reply to phx • • •Makehuman for generating models, unity preview renderer running as an MCP tool, language model reads page instructions for pose info, low frequency noise on pose bones to add micro movements.
Bots have had a workaround for weeks now. Same with browser movement bot detection, just train a behavioural cloning model on human mouse movements, and use that to create mouse trajectories instead of directly moving the cursor to the target position.
sicktriple
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in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I made the switch to Lemmy today, feels old school kind of good.
Reddit is not only allowing for bots to run rampant, but also it’s managed by the Epstein class and their supporters.
kamayatu24
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in reply to kamayatu24 • • •On the one hand, this is awful and will be a complete clusterfuck
On the other hand, it would be acceptable if the mods have to use a recent photo as an avatar.
texture
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in reply to kamayatu24 • • •I’m curious if anyone has found a story indicating that they actually want a photo of your face? The original Engadget article seems to indicate that they’re talking about Apple FaceID/TouchID, not an actual image upload.
Apple stores all biometrics data locally on the device. Reddit wouldn’t ever see your face if this is the case; they would just get the passkey token generated by the secure enclave. Am I misunderstanding why this is causing outrage?
Reddit is weighing identity verification methods to combat its bot problem
Jackson Chen (Engadget)selokichtli
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