Don't worry. The kind of work these people do is nowhere near possible to replace with AI. CEOs, accountants, lawyers and middle managers on the other hand...
Yes. I do. I have performed manual labor and I've performed desk work in an office. The one where I could sit in a comfy chair with air conditioning and free access to a kitchen and reliably clean bathrooms was much better for me. Arguing that AI should be the decision maker positions and humans should continue to be manual labor is dumb. It's not like factory workers are free lance woodworkers creating fulfilling art. They're just selling their bodies to survive.
CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can't replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can't replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I'm not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn't replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it's cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it'd require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now. The kind of manual dexterity required for sowing is nowhere near on the horizon. Just look at all the much vaunted humanoid robots they've been promising to use in factories for years. Those can't do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now.
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da
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Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now.
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey're tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
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LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
The AI training is likely not to replace them but monitor the quality and speed to find "efficiency gains" in the process and procedure. The AI is learning how to make a garment to know how to help managers be more overbearing.
Science fiction’s superpower isn’t thinking up new technologies – it’s thinking up new social arrangements for technology. What the gadget does is nowhere near as important as who the gadget does it for and who it does it to. Your car can use a cutting-edge computer vision system to alert you when you’re drifting out of your lane – or it can use that same system to narc you out to your insurer so they can raise your premiums by $10 that month to punish you for inattentive driving. Same gadget, different social arrangement.
Science fiction’s superpower isn’t thinking up new technologies – it’s thinking up new social arrangements for technology. What the gadget does is nowhere near as important as who the gadget does i…
We are so getting murdered the moment everything is fully automated. Remember that how we are currently treated is how we are treated while the 1% needs our labor. Do not expect better treatment when we are "useless eaters"
I don't think it's that simple. Entire businesses have to be started and upscaled for this to happen. If enough jobs vanish quickly enough, they don't just reappear. The economy can't react instantly to things like this, it takes years. And if it's happening in all industries simultaneously it may not happen at all.
That made me feel so shitty, exploitative to the extreme, we are fucked as a society.
Now that you are trying to put everyone out of work, killed open source, killed open publishing, who are you going to sell your shit too? what will you train your next models on?
I too feel uncomfortable, but I have also felt uncomfortable with the exploitations that happen to make most products for the West and yet few cared for many decades. People only seem to care when it directly impacts them. It is like we had our chance to protect others and we utterly failed.
I imagine, if you are in Bombay and have 3 children, that's a completely different set of cards, but still there are so many things you can change.
Poverty begets poverty. Poor people are usually too concerned about the next meal to take time for big structural overhauls of their way of doing things.
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in reply to 666dollarfootlong • • •That’s how almost every job works.
I’m a journeyman carpenter, my roles include training apprentices to replace me.
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in reply to bananamuffin • • •I’m pretty sure these are the jobs they’re referring to, not the manual labor
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in reply to Diplomjodler • • •CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can't replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can't replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I'm not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn't replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it's cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it'd require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
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in reply to Diplomjodler • • •If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da
... Show more...If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat's þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn't link it because it's just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical's Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey're tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
I just þink claiming "X is a safe job" is hubris.
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in reply to Pissed • • •LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
You'd need at least, like, 12
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in reply to IndustryStandard • • •That made me feel so shitty, exploitative to the extreme, we are fucked as a society.
Now that you are trying to put everyone out of work, killed open source, killed open publishing, who are you going to sell your shit too? what will you train your next models on?
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Unknown parent • • •Poverty begets poverty. Poor people are usually too concerned about the next meal to take time for big structural overhauls of their way of doing things.