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It's not okay to force other instance admins to block everything you also block (as admin or user)

The point of the Fediverse is to have a lot of different instances with each their own guidelines

Ofc we need to be on the same line but that doesn't mean everything has to be 1-to-1

Personally I don't agree with: "I'll block you if you don't block what I block'

Stop that

in reply to stux⚡

Indeed, this is how Fediblock has been born. And let's admit it is not a good in many ways. It is also creating predeveloped stereotypes about some of the instances. And of course the autolists that are coming from Fediblock and their followers are as much awful.
in reply to stux⚡

One does not dictate rules on another's server I think!

If you don't like decisions made by your admin there are always thousands of other instances to move to that perhaps do fit your view ❤️

If that's also not the case, you can always setup your own Fedi server and block all you want, no hard feelings

All we can do is suggest things to each other to make it better, not forcing it

in reply to stux⚡

And yet I see toots everywhere complaining about what other instances are doing. Federation means going your own way with like-minded others not obsessing about what other people are doing.
in reply to stux⚡

Most of us have enough of our own "stuff" to take care of, I don't have time or energy to criticize other instances!!!
in reply to stux⚡

Who's being forced here?

"You should block [X] because [reason, e.g. they federate with Threads]. We block anyone federated with Threads" is no more dictatorial than saying "Don't tell other servers who to block, don't warn them you block servers that federate with Threads".

People can run servers as they please, federate and block as they please, develop policies and red lines between themselves. Defederation cuts both ways.

in reply to jack

You're missing the point 😉

Everyone can run their server as they see fit but do not force it on others by repeating calling them out etc

Just block and be done with it if thats your way

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in reply to stux⚡

@jackeric If somebody keeps calling me out for who I block, I'll just block them. I don't see this as a real problem.
@jack
in reply to stux⚡

that's what I like about Mastodon, that you have the option to choose what suits you. That's why I'm here. Freedom of movement!
in reply to stux⚡

This is Mastodons greatest strength, and also it's greatest flaw. You are bound to find a place for yourself. But servers are subject to the whims of the admins.

I've personal experience with this. Having to leave a previous server. Because my Admin, while a resonable guy, left after a spat with less reasonable admins. It was handed to another admin, also a reasonable guy. But the service, once smooth, became unstable and buggy. Now I'm here, considering whether to pay for my own server.

in reply to stux⚡

The simplistic “you’re either with us or against us” approach needs to stop. Life has nuance.
in reply to steve mookie kong

@mookie
Yes. So does this assertion, however. Not everyone is with us or against us. But some are.
in reply to stux⚡

This, blocking should be a reaction to unwanted behaviour, not paying tribute to one's own clan.
in reply to stux⚡

World won't block noaganda or no authority.

I guess people can just change instances.

in reply to stux⚡

adrienne maree brown wrote a deep and thoughtful book on this topic, We Will Not Cancel Us

Hang in there

in reply to stux⚡

And for your actions, the faggots have committed an unforgivable crime. All faggots shall be removed from Europe and America. No one shall love them nor forgive them. Israel shall be destroyed. Africa shall be recolonized.

And everyone you love goes to hell forever and ceases to be. Along with you.

All that you hate happens. And all that you hate is good. All that you hate wins. And all that you hate is loved by all.

Every harm against you and your ancestors is blessed and good. All that you are is undone. And all you get is punishment.

All your love dies. All that you have is taken. And all that you love kills you.

in reply to stux⚡

Agreed. I'm also not a fan of instance admins entirely blocking entire instances. I've been shut out of interacting with other people who were NOT A PROBLEM. Individual users can block entire domains if they like. Instance admins should show them how, leave it up to them, and only block individual users.
in reply to stux⚡

you're forgetting that "I block you if you don't block what I block" is a legit policy too. Stop it.
in reply to stux⚡

Fedi meta
no one is forcing you to do this. If you count their posts saying that admins should do something as them forcing you to do something, that would mean your post is also forcing them to adopt different policies than the ones they want. You're doing the same thing! Either it's okay to tell people they're admining wrong, or it's not. But that's exacyly what you're doing too, and it's definitely not just okay for You And Only You.
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in reply to stux⚡

People on #mastodon are quite "thin skinned" so the truth or opinion counter to (insert narrative) is a blockable offence.

Very cowardly IMHO
#fediverse

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in reply to RememberUsAlways

@RememberUsAlways

is it thin-skinned to want people to stop making it super easy for shit companies to kill us faster and make life harder the entire time?
or like, is that just my opinion man

@stux

in reply to Mx Verda

Yes.

Because it shows skin so thin that the person would buy into that conspiracy theory as the analog of a salve.
@RememberUsAlways @stux

in reply to stux⚡

I saw someone today post that mastodon.social not IMMEDIATELY DEFEDERATING FROM THREADS was the 'ultimate betrayal."

He blocked me when I pointed out that he might need a little perspective, which was so predictable it was reassuring :-)

in reply to stux⚡

I think this is exactly what I'm missing in Wikipedia.

We need a federated encyclopedia! Thanks for your insides. #encyclopedia #wikipedian #free #wikipedia #fediverse

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in reply to stux⚡

Isn't this a self solving problem though? Let them block everyone they don't like. They end up isolating themselves.
Yes I see that as creating an echo chamber or whatever, but any weirdo trying to force their values on others probably aren't contributing much to the overall conversation anyway.

Isn't the point that this sandbox is to big to care about someone's one square foot of it,

in reply to stux⚡

My answer to that (though I have a mini-instance) is frankly, "Yeah, ok, do that"
in reply to stux⚡

Fediblock, while intended for honest comm, has morphed into a mechanism of laziness where (some) instance admins are more than happy to block instances without receipts. Very high school.

I don't have a better answer or solution other than to recommend those on such instances move to a better place and financially support that place if happy with their admin/mod team. The easiest way to fight shit-tier admining/modding is to starve such instances of users and finances.

To those that work hard to provide a positive, drama-free (as much as possible) environment for its users, I salute you.

in reply to stux⚡

At least I have not a friggin clue what year saying except we don't wanna end up a twin of Meta/X.
in reply to stux⚡

You'll talk to me
Come to my live video chat profile it's free now check I am in your area now check my profile

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in reply to stux⚡

I disagree. If your friend is a bad person and you help them do bad things, then you are a bad person too, and I want nothing to do with you OR your friend.

It's a spectrum. It depends how bad your friend is.

But as a general rule, I have no problem at all with people shunning those who refuse to shun bad people.

Also, this has nothing to do with "force". It's not "force". It's exercising my right to associate with whomever I choose. You have the same right. But if you have bad friends, I may not choose you. Or you may not choose me. Those calls are ours to make.

in reply to stux⚡

Fediverse users seem to have little tolerance. I was used to getting daily reports pointing at spam, scams, and harassment. On the fediverse, I'm getting reports about opinions (even with scientific references) that people don't like. Pictures of food and people's faces not having been marked as sensitive. Makes me wonder if these are people living in a place without grocery stores and where everyone is required to wear sunglasses. There must be a more suitable instance for these folks.
in reply to stux⚡

I do have some minimal requirements there though.

If you don't block Nazis for example as that is a legal risk for me - my instance falls under German law. The same with child porn and obv hate speech.