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Socially excluded ! ( Cyberspace, email question.. )


This entry was edited (3 days ago)
in reply to Rick_C137

It's almost like email providers dont want spammers to create accounts and send unsolicited emails to people with their service. Not that I think you will.

To receive an email you can run your own mail server if you have a domain because DMRK, SPF, and DKIM are all about authentication of emails that have been sent.
But domain registars also require email addresses for billing purposes.

in reply to Rick_C137

Uhh, proton works fine…

You might need to clear your browsing data. You might want to start doing that all the time if you’re concerned about anonymity or privacy.

in reply to whatiswrongwithyou

Zero issues with proton here as well... I create an alias for everything that asks for an email...
in reply to whatiswrongwithyou

Good for you man ! may be you don't use Tor ?
I could create an account but at the first e-mail received my account has been "frozen" and I need to provide an ID.
I'll try to do a screenshot later on...
This entry was edited (3 days ago)
in reply to whatiswrongwithyou

you could say "I use a VPN"..


VPN service: Requires trusting a single provider; not as anonymous as Tor; browser fingerprint differs from Tor’s
VPN paid service: not anonymous if you paid with Fiat XD

This entry was edited (2 days ago)
in reply to Rick_C137

I think you’re making some critical errors in this reply. If you make personal privacy or security decisions based on its content, it’s probably a very good idea to reevaluate them with a clear and honest outlook.

It is easier to develop trust of a single provider than to develop trust of a random decentralized network of providers in a system that has been under confirmed attack for at least 15 years.

Browser fingerprinting can be defeated or manipulated in many ways to accomplish different goals outside of either using tor or a vpn.

Cash may not be under active surveillance and provides fantastic anonymity if you are capable of handling it appropriately. Even if you are not, investigating cash transactions is incredibly expensive, cumbersome, time sensitive and is defeated by a million simple methods that have been in practice for millennia.

in reply to Rick_C137

I ran into the same problem recently and gave up. (You were much more persistent / stubborn than me; thanks for compiling the above list!)

All major providers prevent you from registering anonymously because they don't want to have their services abused by spammers and scammers. Your best bet might be to get a VoIP number (not one of those public ones, but a paid one just for yourself), possibly paid with crypto. (Monero?) I haven't tried that route, though, because it wasn't worth the effort for me.

in reply to IratePirate

in reply to hirihit640

Thanks @hirihit640@sh.itjust.works nice I'll read that !
but you should not use the word DarkNet (that's for the mainstream media, to scary peoples to use Tor ! DarkNet sound like is for shady peoples only XD )
This entry was edited (3 days ago)
in reply to Rick_C137

You mean it's going to scare off all the Karens and the corporations that have already enshittified the clearweb? Don't threaten me with a good time! "Darkweb" it is for me!
This entry was edited (2 days ago)
in reply to IratePirate

XD
I think it might frighten people to use privacy centered network like Tor is we call them DarkNet..
in reply to Rick_C137

Identity is an unsolved problem on the Internet. We’ve allowed email addresses to serve as a proxy for identity for a long time, but they no longer really work. As a result, we’ve lost both our ability to be anonymous and our ability to be known.

I’ve been playing with ideas to help fix this, and I’d like to connect with anyone working on something similar.

in reply to AllYourSmurf

I have been trying to come up with a solution that retains anonymity while also preventing spam/scam/etc for a while now. I have a few ideas, but feel there's room for improvements.Im'm up for discussing related ideas.
in reply to Rick_C137

What do you mean by "do not accept 3rd party registration email"?
in reply to toebert

Man, dig up a little, all the major free e-mail provider come with this limitation
This entry was edited (3 days ago)
in reply to Rick_C137

I don't understand your wording of what that limitation is.

My best guess would be that you mean you want to use a custom domain for the email address..?

in reply to toebert

So I rephrase, \
it means that if you subscribe to another web service/website ( F*cebook, mastodon ...) whatever and you receive an email to confirm your registration with that service, the email provider will block, freeze, or ban you. \

I hope it's more clear now

in reply to Rick_C137

Thank you, that makes more sense. Proton has an article on this (proton.me/support/human-verifi…) and it does imply your use of tor will trigger it (as opposed to only requiring captcha).

My only 3 ideas are:

  1. Some search results indicate that upgrading to a paid account removes this issue on proton, but it seems the wording for this on the page above was removed. If you're willing to try spending some money on it you can try upgrading the proton account with crypto (buy bitcoin with monero?) and pay for a month?
  2. Try if they accept adding a verification email from an anonymous provider, or another provider which would do this?
  3. If you plan on/have the option to go on a holiday check which countries allow buying prepaid SIM cards for cash without ID and pick one up to pass the verification on one of these providers?
in reply to toebert

Thanks for your 3 propositions 👍

  1. so paid, can only be with an anonymous crypto like Monero otherwise it's pointless
  2. can you rephrase ?
  3. That's an ideas, but one might need to create new e-mail every week :)
in reply to Rick_C137

On 1, would it not work if you created a new bitcoin wallet, then bought bitcoin with monero and used that bitcoin to pay? I understand BTC isn't anonymous, but if you fund the wallet only with BTC purchased via monero and don't re-use the wallet it shouldn't identify you.

On 2, I meant to test if proton mail (or one of the other providers where the only issue is needing another email address) accepts adding a verification email address to the proton account (which in theory passes the human verification check), where the verification email address is from for example disroot, or from one of the anonymous mail providers. Basically just a test if the human verification check can be circumvented with another provider that would do the human verification check or similar, maybe there is a gap in the validation for one of them.

Does that make sense?

Either way, if you need this to be anonymous and also rotate the account with a high frequency like weekly, probably neither of those will remain feasible even if one of them would maybe work once.

in reply to Rick_C137

Use an alias service like addy.io or Proton's SimpleLogin (I think DDG has a service too, or did) to create an email address to forward emails to your actual address, and then just don't use the alias for anything else. I believe both of those take anonymous payment methods.
in reply to Rick_C137

i created a proton address without issue with just username + password recently.

where are you located?

This entry was edited (4 days ago)
in reply to ☂️-

did you use a VPN or Tor? That's usually where they start asking for a phone or secondary email during the sign-up process.

VPN or Tor are necessary if you want to create anonymous accounts.

in reply to Rick_C137

Not sure how well developed this Fediverse interaction between Lemmy-Mastodon is, but can you not reply from your Lemmy account to a Mastodon post ? And please change the broken disroot dot com link in your post into disroot.org/ t y
in reply to lemmyreader

oh sorry for the broken link (they were not supposed to be link but header only... I'll fix that )
in reply to Rick_C137

Depending on where you live, mailbox.org also offers payment by cash.
in reply to Rick_C137

Also, if you are fine wit emailing the website owner, try contacting webmaster@[domain]. Sometimes those are monitored.
in reply to Rick_C137

in reply to Rick_C137

"Funny" \

and I didn't even received a message telling me why :)
in reply to Rick_C137

for me it sounds like you actually do not want to communicate via E-Mail (for obvious reasons) but require one for registering with a service that you actually want to use.
Can't you use a throw away E-Mail to register at the service? Something like the anonbox from the Chao Computer Club: anonbox.net/de/

That way you can create an account with a throw-away Email and then use the account without any linking to you. But be sure to use an anonymuous, non-trackable wayy when creating this throw-away mail and also while using the service you are registering for.

This entry was edited (3 days ago)
in reply to IAMgROOT

👍 I just tried
Too bad the domain name are vulgar (not helping the cause)
You can directly receive e-mail that really good
Sadly the PoW is bugy, and I dind;t manage to enable the SMTP (sending email)
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