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A compulsory mandated app installed on every Indian citizen's new phone


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in reply to Florencia (she/her)

I lowkey expect every modern device to be compromised (unless you're running custom roms). Whether it's Pegasus or something else. Only permanent solution is to stop using smartphones altogether.
in reply to Ex Nummis

Only permanent solution is to stop using smartphones altogether


Even if you can't, minimizing smartphone use, uptime and carrying mitigates some of the risk

in reply to Ex Nummis

If you think every phone has some sort of IME, installing a custom ROM means nothing.
in reply to Constant Pain

A phone's baseband (modem) runs its own proprietary firmware with full RAM access.
in reply to Default Username

This doesn't make sense to me.
Why do they even need it to be that way?

Compartmentalisations was one of the basic points in system design methodology that I thought (because I read it somewhere) smartphones would also be built upon. So why compromise the whole thing to a supply chain attack?

in reply to ulterno

In exchange for giant purchase orders from the government. Qualcomm etc are simply corrupt.
in reply to ulterno

Why do they even need it to be that way?


so that they can surveil you

in reply to brachiosaurus

That part, I already understand.
But you needed to have some sort of excuse for such things back when smartphones were new.

I think the compartmentalisation concepts were there from the feature-phone era.

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in reply to Ex Nummis

Only permanent solution is to stop using smartphones altogether.


Just make sure your pagers are not backdoored with Semtex either.

in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Crazy this is a thing actually being rolled out and it hasn't hit world headlines.

Europe, USA and other countries are not far behind this initiative once they (governments) see how even more successful it is for collecting and sorting data to control citizens.

Time to go to GrapheneOS folks.

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in reply to ExcessShiv

They seem to have plans for those types too.
Withdrawing cash is going to be taxed.
in reply to ulterno

What does withdrawing cash have to do with owning a phone?
in reply to ExcessShiv

If you have a smartphone, you get to use UPI (United Payments Interface).
If you don't, you are basically limited to a certain amount of free withdrawal per month, which is set to prevent getting an outcry from BPL (below poverty line) people, which would otherwise be bad for elections.

I was considering pushing for open source UPI apps for Linux devices (and providing my services for development), to reduce India's reliance on Google and Android but considering recent events, I believe that is not really going to align with the Government's plans.

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in reply to ulterno

Aah you talking India specific, I was talking from a European perspective given the context of the posts I replied to originally.
in reply to ExcessShiv

Don't they also have some NFC payment stuff there too?
Though that's probably connected to the debit/credit card and not really a separate interface.
in reply to witty_username

Use a tablet with a MiFi router. The hostile network starts there.
in reply to witty_username

Nah, they're mostly just going to endlessly harass you for it and wait for you to bribe them.
They will randomly send dacoits in uniform to beat you up and jail you and make it harder for you to earn a living until they get their ~~birthright~~ bribes.
in reply to jof

Time to go to GrapheneOS folks


I mean, it has been, for a long time, but this is not why. According to the article you can simply uninstall the app.

in reply to artyom

Bet you are going to have the app installed and scanned for every government service you want to use (including leaving the country).
in reply to artyom

Could I not just set up another profile in GOS with this app installed and switch to that profile when it's needed?
in reply to Chulk

User profiles is an AOSP feature. It's not exclusive to GOS.
in reply to jof

I've read about it in three different places this morning, I don't live in India. I thi I it's hit "world headlines"
in reply to jof

BBC had an article this morning. I follow them for a different perspective on North American news.
in reply to jof

It absolutely hit world headlines way before you commented... I had seen it multiple times from several sources before this thread was made. From local (I'm Swedish) news, global news (grounded and kagi news), youtube and mastodon (links to MSM articles about it).
in reply to jof

Can't speak for Europe but the USA already has this, only instead of a playstore app it's a collection of backdoors and hacking tools, and they're installed without our knowledge or consent by military intelligence institutions.
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in reply to jimbroof

Yes I watched a few videos about the NSA’s hacker group, TAO, and how they exploited backdoors and zero day exploits like crazy but without our knowledge. Went unknown for some 15 years til Snowden blew the whistle.

Scary stuff man.

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in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Just saw and ranted about this. I HATE THIS FUCKING FASCIST GOVERNMENT WITH EVERY FIBER OF BY BEING!!!!!!!!!!!!
in reply to spez

at this pace you are going to be sent to a concentration camp soon
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

How do the corporations feel about this when they have workers in India?
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Lol when this inevitably get backdoored/exploited, it's gonna be glorious
in reply to db0

Oh it probably already is just look up the test run they did with their covid app
in reply to Jack

Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
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in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Reuters cited sources to report that US tech giant Apple plans not to comply with the mandate and will convey the same to New Delhi
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Does the iOS one get this sweeping access to everything as well (which would require Apple to specifically give it entitlements)?
in reply to AllNewTypeFace

Reuters cited sources to report that US tech giant Apple plans not to comply with the mandate and will convey the same to New Delhi.
in reply to the_riviera_kid

You can get a Nokia flip phone on Amazon for under $100. Before all the tariff BS it was more like $60. My daughter has been using one exclusively for about six months.
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Could they install it in a sandbox quarantined away from the rest of the stuff on their phones?
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in reply to kn0wmad1c

Probably, but until they see at least 20 pictures of your 5 year old in a bikini, they'll just beat you.
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Cool..how can I get it?

They too should suffer my endless search history for obscurities.
I want them to download all of my USB storage of virus infected malware. I will sit idly and tap my fingertips against each other while my SMS messages corrupt their society from within.

in reply to Florencia (she/her)

India saw Britain and said "I'm not going to let my former colonisers out do me."
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

How will they prevent more technical users from uninstalling that with ADB? Heck you don't even need a computer for that anymore as you can use a tool like Shizuku.
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in reply to Florencia (she/her)

They cannot get rid of the caste system but can successfully surveil 90% of the population
in reply to brachiosaurus

The caste system ended in 1947.
We know the laws there.

The only thing holding their people back is the Reservation system.

in reply to shneancy

In 2015, my Indian coworker in the US sat on a different table with another team on a company lunch, because my Indian boss wouldn't talk to him because he comes from a lower caste.
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

Looks like the backlash has made them reassure us that it IS OPTIONAL for now...
in reply to redparadise

They turned down the heat slightly because the frogs noticed the boiling.
in reply to Florencia (she/her)

The modified (Modi-fied?) offer of it now being optional is ridiculous. Keep protesting the policy my brothers and sisters.