I've got an 8a which I got on sale when the 9a came out. I tend to keep my phones for 4-5 years, so this should be good for a long while, though I hope the Motorola collab produces something good. I also do little on my phone these days by design. If I could get by without owning one, I'd be thrilled.
Yeah I used to be the guy who did everything on his phone and now I just mostly use it for photos, maps and messaging and I try to be on a laptop when I can
I got a pro because it was heavily discounted at the time. The one thing I sort of appreciated is the display LTPO thing, which enables it to gear all the way down to 1hz to save power.
thing is kinda moot since the 9a and 10a achieve significantly better battery life than the 10 pro (10a uses the prior gen SoC which seems to have better idle power characteristics).
Not really, but I got one anyway because I need the storage. I wish I would have gone all the way and got a TB but I couldn't buy that one in cash in store so I didn't.
Considering waiting to see if Motorola releases a GrapheneOs built in Razr I’d consider that. But can’t help but wonder how much they would mess up the core important pieces of Graphene for their overlords who wants AI down our throat
I've always wanted a fold, but couldn't justify the price. I definitely don't need one, but I want one. Even used on swappa they're still a bit spendy.
The a series have been great to me so far. The specs are usually more than enough for most use cases you're gonna have for your phone, and the 9a and 10a both have better battery life than the rest of the 9 and 10 series' respectively.
The a series is substantially cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a totally justifiable Android experience that isn't gonna be much different than the other models for most people.
HOWEVER, I will say that if you plan on running a lot of apps that need to operate in the background or be constantly on, especially if you play games at the same time on your phone sometimes, the RAM could be too low for your liking and might occasionally lead to an app's background process freezing for a bit. (e.g. a timer might freeze if the app isn't actively open)
It's why I made sure to get my newest phone used, but that comes with the risk of getting a Verizon model (in the US) which can't be bootloader unlocked. Had to return the first one I got off eBay for that reason, and the second one I made sure to ask the seller where they initially got it from.
Not much longer im sure. I have no reason to believe that they will continue making it possible to un/relock the bootloader considering their push for google certified only android.
This is what I'm afraid of too. I could see apps like fdroid and the ability to install custom roms being taken away within the next year or two. I hope I'm wrong but I don't have a good feeling. I need Linux phones to be a thing now more than ever.
I assume you either mean financially or in terms of general support and word of mouth. Trust me, I wish I could be a dev so, so badly, but as interesting as code and computers are, I'm light years away from getting in there and being able to fuck with shit. I love learning about programming, but I'm not the best at actually learning it. lmao
I say, as I sit in a first level computer science class, typing this because I'm totally lost in the actual lecture.
Yes, I said "in some way" because not everyone can contribute code directly. There are other things besides money you can offer to contribute (graphic design, community/brand management, communication, general organizational tasks, forum moderation, etc) but funding is usually the simplest and most necessary.
Wdym by "you could see" as if its not whats already announced to be happening. Fdroid will not cooperate with googles app verification process which means Fdroid will stop working on all google certified devices, meaning everything other than devices with custom ROMs. NewPipe also announced they wont get google verified meaning it will stop working too.
ROM basically is just another word for operating system so its about the software not the hardware. So only devices (phones) that allow you to install your own custom operating system (like a modified version of the original android that comes with it or even a proper linux OS) will allow you to install apps not certified by google.
Most of the time people talk about custom roms they mean open source software that replaces the pre installed closed source software. Nothing phones are closed source so they are probably not on the "good" side here.
I never know what to expect from Google. They respect open source efforts to an extent, but play Calvinball with where they draw the line. In any case, Motorola will be an option soon, maybe more. And there are other custom ROMs, albeit not as thorough as Graphene. And for me? They can't take it away now that I already did it, so I'm good for up to 7 years unless my phone breaks.
I didn't want to give google any money, so I am using a Pixel 6 I got for free at this time. Actually moved from an iPhone 15 and it does not feel slower at all with Graphene OS. I'll have to upgrade in October when support runs out though, so I'll be eying used Pixel 9a's in the summer.
Flagship hardware has been sufficient long term for a while now. I'd still be using my 6 year old phone if it had security updates and I wasn't getting into privacy and security
The Fediverse is not perfect, but it actually blew my mind a bit how much it lowered my blood pressure to not see the constant ragebait, and the calm of not being exposed and monitored at all times. I still have Snapchat just for one person, and WhatsApp which is Meta but still E2EE. Other than that, I'm all in on FOSS privacy approved apps and man does it feel great.
I made the switch to Linux and Lemmy right around the same time. Once I was free of it all it was like relaxing a muscle I didn't know had been tense for decades. Android is next... Just as soon as I figure out jellyfin....
I also just switched to Linux! Well dual booting Windows for now but only for gaming really, and until I figure out if Ardour is good enough for me for music production. But still: Microsoft has nothing except my game saves now, no tax documents or web history, etc.
What distro did you go with?
I'm also looking into making a home server to ditch streaming services and so I dont need 250 GB of music on my. phone. Got to be able to afford the RAM though...
Mint. I'm not a "tech genius" and it was presented as an easy intro to Linux. I feel no need to distro hop, getting by just fine with my little minty penguin thank you very much!
Mint is pretty legit. Their Cinnamon desktop is looking a lot prettier these days too.
I landed on Fedora KDE because I need gaming features like VRR, and still wanted features like Secure Boot & a distro with a lot of users and documentation.
Dude, it's super awesome, but telling you it's easy could potentially push you away from doing it, plus transparency is always the best policy. Additionally, it's not that it's hard, really, it does have a learning curve, and it's difficulty will mostly be determined by how much you like challenges. The best part is that too many of us have already tried, failed, tried again, and succeeded, so you can always lean on us.
I get you, I wasn't being sarcastic. Going through something difficult has a way of bringing people together, especially if you still love it after the effort.
Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it's great. Jesus, I've deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can't tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I've been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break s
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Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it's great. Jesus, I've deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can't tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I've been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break stuff, and then enjoy the satisfaction of finally having it running after 2 or 3 sleepless nights, only to break it again by placing a comma I the wrong place because your brain refuses to keep going 🤣🤣.
It's fun man, that's the best part, owning your data and flipping the finger at big tech and givernments is just the added value. That's my opinion anyway.
TrueNAS Scale's Docker implementation is currently really mediocre - it's implemented as an app store style experience - and deploying/managing containers via the CLI isn't officially supported although it works fine. They do have a more generic container management implementation in beta at the moment.
Yes. It is hardened a lot though, easily the most secure and private. Ubuntu Touch is maybe more private because Linux but it's barely functional. iOS in lockdown mode is decent, better than stock Android.
They have had some third party audits. It is not totally convincing to me as being trustworthy, but I see it as more of an acceptable necessary evil. Better than Discord, Snapchat, Facebook Messenger, probably even SMS. My wife's whole family uses just WhatsApp, and so do some businesses even in her country. Believe me though, anyone I can get on Signal, Matrix, Session, etc, I do.
There have been third party audits, but the conclusions have been that you can't know if it's implemented correctly or at all. Nature of closed source. Because you can't know where the keys are.
I get the doing business in their country. That is so difficult to overcome. I will not do it. Foot down on that one, and it does make it hard. My wife's family does the same as you mentioned. I just tell them they are literally paying for fascism. They don't care. Or you can pick from many of the ills of Meta products (energy use, AI, misinformation, or even simply making someone a billionaire by contributing nothing to society).
I'm working on it and avoid it when I can as I mentioned. The only reason I mentioned it is that it's one of the last vestiges of apps I don't fully trust. I treat it like SMS or email, I don't send anything I don't expect could be audited by the government with the right subpoenas.
But sometimes I'm in a weird position. If I need to order food in my wife's country, I am not going to be able to contact the restaurant without WhatsApp. Then I, as a white American who doesn't know them, am going to explain to the delivery guy the reasons why they shouldn't support American fascism, in their native language that I am not 100% fluent in?
It isn't American fascism of course. It's everywhere.
But I get it, I find myself in the same boat traveling and visiting family. It really is pervasive. So in your scenario you can't just go pick it up yourself?
I know there are other ones though: Everything in some places works like this where they want to do a call back - deliveries, doctors appointments, services. WhatsApp has almost, if not completely, replaced the phone, so even getting a local sim doesnt help.
I simply refuse to play along. I wont do it. Somehow we seem to work it out.
It is actually verified e2ee. However, they do keep a 'spare key' for every single user and chat, you know, in case they need to help you, the good guys at Meta.
As far as I'm aware Moxie Marlinspike made the encryption before it was acquired by Facebook. One of the founders of WhatsApp now finances Marlinspike'd Signal messenger.
In theory Meta only sees who you communicate with, but not what you communicate.
(I wouldn't be surprised if the bastards are trying to undo the encryption if they already haven't.)
Also, their e2ee is built on the signal protocol. Now, their server code and client code are not open source, so they could have left all types of doors open for their benefit. Also, the Metadata is not encrypted at all, something they actually brag about for some reason.
And just to be clear, I am a genuine 'everything-meta-hater" (and Google, MicroShit, Crapple, Crapsung, etc.), but spreading misinformation doesn't help preaching about privacy and security.
That verified if their backups were end to end encrypted though right?
It's also interesting what was out of scope:
Limitations The following components were not in scope; NCC Group was therefore unable to evaluate and identify issues with them: • Third-party and proprietary HSM vendor implementation. • Backup encryption implementation. • Side-channels in the access, creation, modification and deletion of backup data on third-party cloud storage.
Dude, you seem to be under the impression that I'm somehow defending meta, and you're evidently in battle mode. I said my piece, provided the evidence as requested. I guess this is where I drop off of this convoy for ith you, buddy. Make of it what you will. Have a good day.
No, I am not in battle mode. I just read the link and found it interesting and responded with things I saw in it.
What I didn't do, was realize you sent TWO links, and I failed to read the second one. But believe me I am not trying to argue in any way. I am just responding.
The second link was also just for backups.
Again, I am just saying that they are not able to demonstrate that they are actually implementing this, AND that both of those links are for backups only. Thats all.
And I totally get what you were driving at: it doesn't matter, they have a "spare key".
I don't think it will. It's just another outside audit (no idea if país by meta or not though). It is E2ee, that's the bottom line. Now, the implementation is what dictates what that's worth. It's no different than client-side scanning or Microsoft co-pilot. What's the point of having e2ee if someone else can get access either before encryption or by a third party, like meta, having a master key to decrypt anyway?
The first thing was if there was any indo of e2ee being implemented, there's plenty, even Cloudflare audited them at one point if I recall correctly. But, nobody knows how it's implemented, except for meta, and that's where the lack of trust resides, because we all trust meta as far as we can throw our cars.
I don't, I use Signal whenever I can. WhatsApp is for businesses that use it, and the people who refuse to go to Signal, or can't figure it out. Like my mother in law tried but got confused and so far have been unsuccessful troubleshooting why long distance. But I still need to talk to her.
It really goes to show no little of the abuse we suffer is inherently the Internet's fault. Lemmy feels like the reddit I knew and loved of 15 years ago. Sure there's some assholes I argue with but that's the normal amount of shittieness not the turbocorpo abuse
A lot of it is hitting critical mass too. Reddit used to be tech enthusiasts and stem students the same way Fediverse is currently. Now any town idiot yahoo from the sticks will angrily yell at you on Reddit for no reason.
But yeah the algorithm is a lot stronger than it would seem.
Some are trying though. Some one tried to be a smart ass saying that us lemmyngs where cool with piratage when it is for random people but not when it is for facebook so we should be ashamed. He got his ass handed by multiple people. Good time. Not even an insult was thrown ❤ it was civilized, I love you guys.
that reminds me of something ... one of the greatest milestones of civilization is said to be canalization, and we are indeed all connected through shitposts :)
When I first joined Reddit, it was so similar to Lemmy in its principles. Relatively progressive, open source, tons of interesting people having real convos about the nerdiest stuff and talking about the world. It was real, and the fediverse has absolutely nailed recreating that sense of community. What a beautiful safe haven we have
The what's app is encrypted to get to your phone so transmission is protected, however to view your message it is unencrypted (obvious) and at that stage WhatsApp will parse it for key stuff such as Child Sexual stuff, or other threats they have determined they look for, that then triggers a data send back to the mother ship. The problem with this is if the Government wants to silence a political opponent or journalist they can go to Meta and request a search other than CSAM. So end to end encryption via any META product is a joke
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support.
https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS currently relies on Google for both hardware and security updates. The Motorola thing is encouraging, but they never should have built on Google phones to begin with.
Soon, but not yet! I needed to upgrade, can't wait until 2027 or whenever. But hoping it'll be one of their flagships, the new Razr is pretty dope specs wise.
It's not made by a US company. Meaning there is no insensives to add us gov backdoors or something for military or for companies like palantir. Google is an ad company. They have insensitives to collect all the data on us.
and china has almost all messaging through government controlled app wechat, qr payments everywhere, active tracking for social credit score, and blocked internet traffic for specific websites. they are definitely big on surveillance...
if anything they have more incentive to add backdoors to phones going overseas, look at what happened with huawei
I hâte this reminder too. But the constant playsyore is missing permissions is a reward. Yes stay here little software keep complaining, your owner can go fuck them self.
I'm on the same boat; FP4 + CalyxOS. Do you know have they (Calyx) confirmed anything about the projects future? Last I heard was in around december, and things were quite uncertain back then.
They're getting closer. Last update was end of Feb. Most of their updates seem to about security stuff I don't understand, but it's nice to see they're working on it.
I'm glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it's sad that they are the exception and not the rule.
I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.
At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.
Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.
Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.
Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren't nearly as focused on surveillance.
I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I'm not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.
While a terminal solution, that's not a real solution. I'll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn't the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.
Why, because you can't afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it's a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?
The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I'm pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they'd be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.
The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.
Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn't see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.
I personally think this can be reasonable if you're the type to talk all about your hardware with people. You might not like promoting Google, so you choose a different device with a different privacy OS because you would rather talk about that to people.
For me, I don't talk about my phone much to people - so I just bought a second hand Pixel 8, put Graphene on it, and popped a sticker over the Google logo. Using a case that's not clear does just as good of a job. I will probably replace it with a Motorola eventually when they start releasing phones with GrapheneOS on it.
Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn’t see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.
This is where I disagree. Buying second hand google phones supports the second hand value of these phones, which in turn indirectly benefits Google because people are more likely to buy them.
It's not that they have a deal with Google, it's that Google's hardware security is best bar none except maybe iPhone. And Graphene is the best way to degoogle, as counter intuitive as it may seem. They are working with other manufacturers to get these security requirements for new phones so Graphene can be put on them.
Hardware security is largely irrelevant. It makes sense for some use cases, mine everyday use is not one of them. There are much more important threat vectors, such as all the acounts of the cloud services I use.
I wouldn't say it is irrelevant when there is a worldwide push towards authoritarianism and countless examples of unreasonable search and seizure.
Plus, everyone has their own threat model. It's almost a meme in the privacy community, but there's a reason threat modeling and prioritization is step #1. It may not be a big concern to you (in your opinion), but imagine if it didn't exist for someone who needs it.
I wouldn’t say it is irrelevant when there is a worldwide push towards authoritarianism and countless examples of unreasonable search and seizure.
Hardware security is irrelevant for that. As it is irrelevant for most other things.
Authoritarian governments are not going to bother with hacking you. They will just force you to unlock your devices or go to jail for obstruction of justice.
Real security starts with de-Googling, de-Facebooking,... etc
Worth it. Try any Samsung phone with Google's shit and Samsung's shit on top: I swear you these one are practically unusable, like you carrying an bloated mini-ad-computer with you. A implanted bug in your teeth or ass would hurt probably less then this. Before I use any of those, I rather use a "dumb" phone again.
Debloating an S10 was removing a long list of shit. I have seen the list only got longer with the newer models indeed. But one can survive, with the right tools.
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in reply to 64bithero • • •I got a pro because it was heavily discounted at the time. The one thing I sort of appreciated is the display LTPO thing, which enables it to gear all the way down to 1hz to save power.
thing is kinda moot since the 9a and 10a achieve significantly better battery life than the 10 pro (10a uses the prior gen SoC which seems to have better idle power characteristics).
hesh
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in reply to 64bithero • • •Certainly not a Pixel 10 Pro.
If I could write my own code for the NPU that might be interesting, but they've got it locked up like a straight boy's toilet paper.
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in reply to DanVctr • • •Is there really any need for a screen that small having that high of a resolution anyway?
DanVctr
in reply to SatyrSack • • •Personally, I like to have a small font with a high density so as much info is on the screen as possible.
Also, if you like to watch Youtube or movies on your device, you'll notice the difference in resolution.
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in reply to 64bithero • • •They announced the big RAZR Fold and that future devices would have it at MWC, so mayhaps
also this. Wasn't moto the one helping with then-illegal wiretaps in like the 90s? I can hardly keep track anymore
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in reply to 64bithero • • •The a series have been great to me so far. The specs are usually more than enough for most use cases you're gonna have for your phone, and the 9a and 10a both have better battery life than the rest of the 9 and 10 series' respectively.
The a series is substantially cheaper for what is, in my opinion, a totally justifiable Android experience that isn't gonna be much different than the other models for most people.
HOWEVER, I will say that if you plan on running a lot of apps that need to operate in the background or be constantly on, especially if you play games at the same time on your phone sometimes, the RAM could be too low for your liking and might occasionally lead to an app's background process freezing for a bit. (e.g. a timer might freeze if the app isn't actively open)
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in reply to Arcden • • •This doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you're not already, find a project and contribute towards it some way.
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in reply to krashmo • • •I assume you either mean financially or in terms of general support and word of mouth. Trust me, I wish I could be a dev so, so badly, but as interesting as code and computers are, I'm light years away from getting in there and being able to fuck with shit. I love learning about programming, but I'm not the best at actually learning it. lmao
I say, as I sit in a first level computer science class, typing this because I'm totally lost in the actual lecture.
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in reply to humble_boatsman • • •ROM basically is just another word for operating system so its about the software not the hardware. So only devices (phones) that allow you to install your own custom operating system (like a modified version of the original android that comes with it or even a proper linux OS) will allow you to install apps not certified by google.
Most of the time people talk about custom roms they mean open source software that replaces the pre installed closed source software. Nothing phones are closed source so they are probably not on the "good" side here.
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in reply to MintyFresh • • •I also just switched to Linux! Well dual booting Windows for now but only for gaming really, and until I figure out if Ardour is good enough for me for music production. But still: Microsoft has nothing except my game saves now, no tax documents or web history, etc.
What distro did you go with?
I'm also looking into making a home server to ditch streaming services and so I dont need 250 GB of music on my. phone. Got to be able to afford the RAM though...
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in reply to MintyFresh • • •Mint is pretty legit. Their Cinnamon desktop is looking a lot prettier these days too.
I landed on Fedora KDE because I need gaming features like VRR, and still wanted features like Secure Boot & a distro with a lot of users and documentation.
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in reply to BladeFederation • • •Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it's great. Jesus, I've deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can't tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I've been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break s
... Show more...Oh no, by no means did I think that, no worries bud. I can tell you that, when I started, about 11 years ago with a Synology NAS, I was scared as hell, but I found it so fascinating that I, a complete ignorant on how technology works at the software level, could suddenly own some of my data. I made so many mistakes, list so much data for not following correct backup streamlines, and pissed off a lot of my friends and family when they had to go through 2 or 3 more clicks when I shared something. And it's great. Jesus, I've deployed Joplin and I mich so many times and in so many mixed of bare-metal and containers that I can't tell you for sure what I have running right now unless I start digging into each of my ProxMox VMs and LXCs to try and figure out where each thing connects to the other. Evidently, I've been keeping proper 3-2-1 backups for the last 7 years, and have broken so much stuff over the years, trying UnRaid, truena, OMV, CasaOS, and a whole lot of stuff more. Dude, in all honesty, just make sure your irreplaceable data is safe preferably offline, and go at it. Break stuff, and then enjoy the satisfaction of finally having it running after 2 or 3 sleepless nights, only to break it again by placing a comma I the wrong place because your brain refuses to keep going 🤣🤣.
It's fun man, that's the best part, owning your data and flipping the finger at big tech and givernments is just the added value. That's my opinion anyway.
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GitHub - truenas/scale-build: TrueNAS SCALE Build System
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in reply to ClinicallySane • • •atopi
in reply to MintyFresh • • •BladeFederation
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in reply to atopi • • •lostbit
in reply to MintyFresh • • •NewNewAugustEast
in reply to BladeFederation • • •As far as you are told. There is no verification that is true.
BladeFederation
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •NewNewAugustEast
in reply to BladeFederation • • •There have been third party audits, but the conclusions have been that you can't know if it's implemented correctly or at all. Nature of closed source. Because you can't know where the keys are.
I get the doing business in their country. That is so difficult to overcome. I will not do it. Foot down on that one, and it does make it hard. My wife's family does the same as you mentioned. I just tell them they are literally paying for fascism. They don't care. Or you can pick from many of the ills of Meta products (energy use, AI, misinformation, or even simply making someone a billionaire by contributing nothing to society).
Makes it hard.
BladeFederation
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •I'm working on it and avoid it when I can as I mentioned. The only reason I mentioned it is that it's one of the last vestiges of apps I don't fully trust. I treat it like SMS or email, I don't send anything I don't expect could be audited by the government with the right subpoenas.
But sometimes I'm in a weird position. If I need to order food in my wife's country, I am not going to be able to contact the restaurant without WhatsApp. Then I, as a white American who doesn't know them, am going to explain to the delivery guy the reasons why they shouldn't support American fascism, in their native language that I am not 100% fluent in?
NewNewAugustEast
in reply to BladeFederation • • •It isn't American fascism of course. It's everywhere.
But I get it, I find myself in the same boat traveling and visiting family. It really is pervasive. So in your scenario you can't just go pick it up yourself?
I know there are other ones though: Everything in some places works like this where they want to do a call back - deliveries, doctors appointments, services. WhatsApp has almost, if not completely, replaced the phone, so even getting a local sim doesnt help.
I simply refuse to play along. I wont do it. Somehow we seem to work it out.
youmaynotknow
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •French75
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •But there is a nearly continuous stream of occurrences where Meta is caught lying.
youmaynotknow
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •NewNewAugustEast
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •hagelslager
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •As far as I'm aware Moxie Marlinspike made the encryption before it was acquired by Facebook. One of the founders of WhatsApp now finances Marlinspike'd Signal messenger.
In theory Meta only sees who you communicate with, but not what you communicate.
(I wouldn't be surprised if the bastards are trying to undo the encryption if they already haven't.)
noodlejetski (he/him)
in reply to hagelslager • • •not that it really matters, but it was a few years after the acquisition.
youmaynotknow
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •nccgroup.com/media/fzwdxklh/_n…
eprint.iacr.org/2023/843.pdf
Also, their e2ee is built on the signal protocol. Now, their server code and client code are not open source, so they could have left all types of doors open for their benefit. Also, the Metadata is not encrypted at all, something they actually brag about for some reason.
And just to be clear, I am a genuine 'everything-meta-hater" (and Google, MicroShit, Crapple, Crapsung, etc.), but spreading misinformation doesn't help preaching about privacy and security.
NewNewAugustEast
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •That verified if their backups were end to end encrypted though right?
It's also interesting what was out of scope:
youmaynotknow
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •NewNewAugustEast
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •No, I am not in battle mode. I just read the link and found it interesting and responded with things I saw in it.
What I didn't do, was realize you sent TWO links, and I failed to read the second one. But believe me I am not trying to argue in any way. I am just responding.
The second link was also just for backups.
Again, I am just saying that they are not able to demonstrate that they are actually implementing this, AND that both of those links are for backups only. Thats all.
And I totally get what you were driving at: it doesn't matter, they have a "spare key".
youmaynotknow
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •I don't think it will. It's just another outside audit (no idea if país by meta or not though). It is E2ee, that's the bottom line. Now, the implementation is what dictates what that's worth. It's no different than client-side scanning or Microsoft co-pilot. What's the point of having e2ee if someone else can get access either before encryption or by a third party, like meta, having a master key to decrypt anyway?
The first thing was if there was any indo of e2ee being implemented, there's plenty, even Cloudflare audited them at one point if I recall correctly. But, nobody knows how it's implemented, except for meta, and that's where the lack of trust resides, because we all trust meta as far as we can throw our cars.
Voxel
in reply to NewNewAugustEast • • •Avid Amoeba
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to Avid Amoeba • • •Venia Silente
in reply to Avid Amoeba • • •Avid Amoeba
in reply to Venia Silente • • •DonPiano
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to DonPiano • • •noodlejetski (he/him)
in reply to DonPiano • • •Fluffy Kitty Cat
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to Fluffy Kitty Cat • • •A lot of it is hitting critical mass too. Reddit used to be tech enthusiasts and stem students the same way Fediverse is currently. Now any town idiot yahoo from the sticks will angrily yell at you on Reddit for no reason.
But yeah the algorithm is a lot stronger than it would seem.
Diurnambule
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Not even an insult was thrown ❤ it was civilized, I love you guys.
gandalf_der_12te
in reply to Diurnambule • • •that reminds me of something ... one of the greatest milestones of civilization is said to be canalization, and we are indeed all connected through shitposts :)
NewOldGuard
in reply to Fluffy Kitty Cat • • •Fluffy Kitty Cat
in reply to NewOldGuard • • •BCsven
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to BCsven • • •BCsven
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to BCsven • • •gandalf_der_12te
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Random Dent
in reply to puddingchewer • • •friendly_ghost
in reply to BladeFederation • • •GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
GrapheneOS (GrapheneOS Mastodon)Quirky Quinn
in reply to friendly_ghost • • •arin
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS | Hacker News
news.ycombinator.comunemployedclaquer
in reply to arin • • •BladeFederation
in reply to arin • • •gandalf_der_12te
in reply to BladeFederation • • •i hope it's gonna be a not flagship one, because otherwise i'll not be able to afford it :(
fallaciousBasis
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Tehdastehdas
in reply to fallaciousBasis • • •Security is not so good there:
gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/…
gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/…
Advanced Privacy can't fake location to HERE WeGo maps (therefore probably many others) (#9200) · Issues · e / Backlog · GitLab
GitLabfallaciousBasis
in reply to Tehdastehdas • • •fallaciousBasis
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Hiro8811
in reply to BladeFederation • • •cardfire
in reply to Hiro8811 • • •BCsven
in reply to cardfire • • •cardfire
in reply to BCsven • • •Agreed! The shocking part for me is how few folks are forgetting the most basic tenets of high school econ, supply and demand.
They're aren't 8 billion used pixels to go around, and if there were... GOOGLE WOULD BUILD MORE. It's an ineffective boycott.
This joining gets me a lot of downvotes on Reddit, but I'm telling you, GOS acolytes are the cross-fitters of the degoogling world.
BCsven
in reply to cardfire • • •Hiro8811
in reply to cardfire • • •Fair Fairy
in reply to Hiro8811 • • •Voxel
in reply to Fair Fairy • • •jali67
in reply to Voxel • • •Fair Fairy
in reply to Voxel • • •OnePlus and Motorola. .
I'm waiting on Motorola to release a device specifically for graphene
Voxel
in reply to Fair Fairy • • •Fair Fairy
in reply to Voxel • • •Google is an ad company. They have insensitives to collect all the data on us.
Hiro8811
in reply to Fair Fairy • • •BrilliantantTurd4361
in reply to Fair Fairy • • •Fair Fairy
in reply to BrilliantantTurd4361 • • •eru
in reply to Fair Fairy • • •and china has almost all messaging through government controlled app wechat, qr payments everywhere, active tracking for social credit score, and blocked internet traffic for specific websites. they are definitely big on surveillance...
if anything they have more incentive to add backdoors to phones going overseas, look at what happened with huawei
RblScmNerfHerder
in reply to eru • • •RblScmNerfHerder
in reply to Hiro8811 • • •FoundFootFootage78
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in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •durably465
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in reply to BladeFederation • • •cdzero
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in reply to BladeFederation • • •Angelus7f
in reply to BladeFederation • • •I'm glad that GrapheneOS exist, and it's sad that they are the exception and not the rule.
I think projects like CalyxOS and LineageOS should adopt some feature from GrapheneOS like contact/storage scopes, sandboxed Google Play Services, Network and Sensor toggles.
At the same time, I think GrapheneOS needs to reevaluate their presence in social media.
idkman
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Banana
in reply to idkman • • •entwine
in reply to Banana • • •Nah, fuck them. They were no different from Google and Apple, and had monopolistic tendencies as well. If anything, Google is the lesser evil since Android is at least open source, whereas BB10 was as locked down as iOS.
Blackberry also killed/sold off their hardware teams, so they have no capacity to make a comeback. All they have left is their nostalgia-loaded brand.
Banana
in reply to entwine • • •Idk it depends on your reasons for the comparison. I believe they had monopolistic tendencies (as do both Google and Apple, so does Nintendo regarding its hardware as well) but the last time I checked they weren't nearly as focused on surveillance.
I mostly just mean there is a market right now for physical keyboards. That is the extent of depth I intended with this comment. I'm not educated enough in hardware markets to speak on Blackberrys place in them or their ethics.
SoloPhoenyx
in reply to idkman • • •While a terminal solution, that's not a real solution. I'll agree replacing everything 1:1 isn't the way we should go. But, we have the technology and infrastructure to enjoy having a mini-PC we can hold in our hand while also maintaining our privacy and avoiding enshitified applications.
It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game.
ilsimoneviaggiatore
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Maybe, you could buy a Motorola as well in the near future.
motorolanews.com/motorola-thre…
Motorola News | Motorola's new partnership with GrapheneOS
marreroc (Motorola's Official Global Blog)herseycokguzelolacak
in reply to BladeFederation • • •entwine
in reply to herseycokguzelolacak • • •Why, because you can't afford it (reasonable), because you think it helps Google (unreasonable), because you think it's a privacy risk (unreasonable), or because it feels icky (unreasonable)?
The profits from Pixel hardware sales are a drop in the bucket for Google. I'm pretty sure the only reason it exists is so they can have insight and control over the hardware ecosystem, as without it they'd be driven by whatever Samsung wants to do.
The walled Android ecosystem is where they make the bulk of their money, and Graphene actively pulls people away from that and to something objectively better. Graphene is fully de-Googled and safe from their spyware, and exists outside of their business model. Using and promoting Graphene actively hurts Google, even if you have them $1k for a phone.
Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn't see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.
DreitonLullaby
in reply to entwine • • •I personally think this can be reasonable if you're the type to talk all about your hardware with people. You might not like promoting Google, so you choose a different device with a different privacy OS because you would rather talk about that to people.
For me, I don't talk about my phone much to people - so I just bought a second hand Pixel 8, put Graphene on it, and popped a sticker over the Google logo. Using a case that's not clear does just as good of a job. I will probably replace it with a Motorola eventually when they start releasing phones with GrapheneOS on it.
herseycokguzelolacak
in reply to entwine • • •This is where I disagree. Buying second hand google phones supports the second hand value of these phones, which in turn indirectly benefits Google because people are more likely to buy them.
BladeFederation
in reply to herseycokguzelolacak • • •herseycokguzelolacak
in reply to BladeFederation • • •BladeFederation
in reply to herseycokguzelolacak • • •I wouldn't say it is irrelevant when there is a worldwide push towards authoritarianism and countless examples of unreasonable search and seizure.
Plus, everyone has their own threat model. It's almost a meme in the privacy community, but there's a reason threat modeling and prioritization is step #1. It may not be a big concern to you (in your opinion), but imagine if it didn't exist for someone who needs it.
herseycokguzelolacak
in reply to BladeFederation • • •Hardware security is irrelevant for that. As it is irrelevant for most other things.
Authoritarian governments are not going to bother with hacking you. They will just force you to unlock your devices or go to jail for obstruction of justice.
Real security starts with de-Googling, de-Facebooking,... etc
Doomsider
in reply to herseycokguzelolacak • • •They are currently in talks to use Verizon phones.
Edit: whoops that was Motorola, my bad.
TheLastOfHisName
in reply to herseycokguzelolacak • • •Motorola announces partnership with GrapheneOS.
motorolanews.com/motorola-thre…
Motorola News | Motorola's new partnership with GrapheneOS
marreroc (Motorola's Official Global Blog)dx1
in reply to TheLastOfHisName • • •DreitonLullaby
in reply to dx1 • • •raker
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in reply to raker • • •ArmchairAce1944
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