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This is why I have been trying to warn about #BlueSky.

BlueSky has just been partially bought by a cryptocurrency company "Blockchain Capital" and appointed a blockchain / cryptocurrency expert to their board:

bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2…

The board member is a bitcoin researcher involved with NFT analytics.

BlueSky describe the tie-up with Blockchain Capital as a "natural partnership" and says the blockchain company has "a uniquely deep understanding of our decentralized foundation".

(via @jwz)

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

While true, the team in that article also state that they "will not hyperfinancialize the social experience (through tokens, crypto trading, NFTs, etc.)"

I do hope that this remains true, as the more alternatives to the bird site, the better. A lot of people still see Mastodon as too isolated, which is fair.

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in reply to Sean

@sirsean
The statement means nothing though.

It doesn't say they won't use those things, it just says they won't "hyperfinancialize the social experience" with those things. What does that actually mean? Why didn't they just say "We won't use them"?

What we do know is they've appointed to the board someone whose expertise consists entirely of bitcoin, NFTs, DAOs and blockchain:

forbes.com/profile/kinjal-shah…

"... researched bitcoin, ... joined crypto VC firm Blockchain Capital... funding round for an NFT analytics platform... cofounder of a decentralized autonomous organization (DAO)..."

@Sean
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in reply to FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

Exactly. Bottom line is, Blockchain Capital just invested $15m in Bluesky. It expects to get back that much money, plus profit. Does anyone think it's supposed to come from video subscriptions?
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in reply to Checkmite

@checkmite @FediThing @sirsean Remember whatsapp's early business model? 1$ a year and user, they practically *swam* in money. they got 15M users already, convert 5% to paying 1$ a month and they'll pay that back in a year.
in reply to Flauschdompteur

@checkmite @FediThing @sirsean unlike twitter, bsky actually keeps up an insane pace of new features and progress, their moderation is decent, and e-long keeps driving users to them. people might actually want to get a paid tier this time, to prevent the service from being sold off to some billionaire because no one wants to fund it.
in reply to Flauschdompteur

" they'll pay that back in a year."

This isn't a loan. The blockchain VCs now have partial ownership of Bluesky and a seat on the board. They will want profits, and then bigger profits after that, forever. It's not sustainable.

Also, even before this deal, the CEO of BlueSky is also from a blockchain/cryptocurrency background.

As far as I can tell, most of the BlueSky board is now blockchain/cryptocurrency people.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

I've been asking this question for a long time: How do they plan to make money? Unless you're a non profit or crowdfunded you need a revenue model to keep the lights on.
in reply to Mike Fraser :Jets:

@mike
1: Collect investments from speculators.
2: Cash out at or before IPO, sale, or bankruptcy.
3: Blog post about the "incredible journey" we all took together, from your yacht.

Easy peasey!

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Ok but "This does not change the fact that the Bluesky app and the AT Protocol do not use blockchains or cryptocurrency, and we will not hyperfinancialize the social experience (through tokens, crypto trading, NFTs, etc.)."
So this isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Is the lack of information in the post an act of fearmongering? Possibly. Read your news, people!
in reply to BlueStaggo :blobfoxcomfycomputer:

@bluestaggo

The only thing that statement says about their future is they won't "hyperfinancialize the user experience".

As that phrase is meaningless, they haven't really said anything about their future plans.

What we do know for sure from the press release is they have just partially sold themselves to a blockchain company, and appointed a blockchain specialist to their board. We also know their CEO has a background in blockchain and cryptocurrencies too.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Before coming to easy and too quick speculations, I would suggest to just read their official statements about this matter and wait (link: bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2…).

They say the won't make any use of crypto-shit. This blog post is there and can be used against them the day they will do the opposite.

In the future.
If it will ever come, that day.

Until then...speculations = nonsense.

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in reply to alebaffa

@alebaffa

None of this is speculation, the text is all directly from their own press release.

"They say the won't make any use of crypto-shit"

That's not what they said. The only thing they ruled out was "hyperfinancializing the social experience", but that phrase doesn't mean anything.

Here's what it comes down to: why would they partially sell themselves to a blockchain company and put a blockchain expert on the board if they don't intend to use blockchain?

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Everyone who read this post and responded with, "This is just FUD, the press release clearly said they would NOT do hyperfinancialization, you are overreacting, here is a link to primary journalistic sources, I am very smart" --
in reply to jwz

Whatever happened with Signal and its MobileCoin cryptocurrency-based payment system? I guess it's still there. support.signal.org/hc/en-us/ar…
in reply to Fedi.Tips

If - IF! - they follow through on their commitment to a fully-federated system, providing the missing bit (taking your followers with you if you move server) I won’t worry about it. But as you can probably guess, I’m not confident they will ever get to it. I’ll be happy if they do, but I’m not holding my breath.
in reply to Ian Betteridge

I'm guessing they will enshittify regardless of whatever nominal features they have on paper. 😦 Especially if they start adding blockchain into the mix.
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in reply to FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

@FediThing They’re pretty far down the line in terms of the development work, but it’s nowhere near ready for the average user (and at this point they don’t recommend you do it with your main account – it’s destructive, i.e. once you migrate off a server, you can’t go back). github.com/bluesky-social/pds/…
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@alebaffa

VCs aren't interested in building serious use cases, they're interested in making as much money as possible and then selling to someone else.

That's why so much of the internet is "enshittified", because the owners of sites and services care more about getting rich than what actually happens to the users or services they build.

Blockchain seems to encourage this behaviour to go to extremes, as seen in the documentary "Line Goes Up":

youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9…

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alebaffa

@FediThing At some point I think it's what will happen: Bluesky will introduce paid plans for advanced features, but the protocol is anyway open and your data are yours.
Want to build something new with AT Proto? Go on, nobody will stop you.

VCs are happy, people are happy too.

It's not black or white.

in reply to alebaffa

They absolutely will stop me, because AT protocol is deliberately structured to depend on expensive relay servers which I cannot afford to run myself.

This is in contrast to ActivityPub where running your own server costs a tiny fraction of the price and is truly independent.

AT seems to have been designed to make companies money rather than give control to the grassroots community.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

Actually, they weren't bought out partially, just some A series funding stuff, but as the blog says, they won't make it into a crypto based thing, so I don't see any reason for anyone to worry about it, Bluesky is a perfectly fine service, and if they also implement federation, that will make it better.
in reply to Alex Chapman

"A series funding" means buying part of the company:

investopedia.com/articles/pers…

"Series A, B, and C are funding rounds ... providing outside investors the opportunity to invest cash in a growing company in exchange for equity or partial ownership. ... The terms come from the series of stock being issued by the capital-seeking company."

When you take funding like this, you are giving them ownership of part of your company.

And the blog does not say they won't use blockchain. They say they won't "hyperfinancialize the social experience" but this is a meaningless phrase.

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in reply to FediThing πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

@FediThing Oh well, I dunno why people are so bothered by it, as long as it don't turn into X 2.0 we'll be fine, and the chances of that happening are like extreeeemely slim
in reply to Fedi.Tips

It's a natural partnership. Bluesky needs money and Blockchain Capital is willing to give them money.
in reply to Glenn

It's not someone giving someone else money. This isn't a loan or a donation.

Bluesky are (partially) selling themselves to Blockchain Capital, that's why there is someone from Blockchain Capital on Bluesky's board now.

Selling your company to VCs tends to lead to enshittification because VCs usually want lots of profits and growth, even if it's unsustainable in the long term. There's an example of something similar happening here: waxy.org/2024/01/the-quiet-dea…

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