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We should talk more about air-conditioning


One twisted thing about cooling and climate change: It’s all a vicious cycle. As temperatures rise, the need for cooling technologies increases. In turn, more fossil-fuel power plants are firing up to meet that demand, turning up the temperature of the planet in the process.

“Cooling degree days” are one measure of the need for additional cooling. Basically, you take a preset baseline temperature and figure out how much the temperature exceeds it. Say the baseline (above which you’d likely need to flip on a cooling device) is 21 °C (70 °F). If the average temperature for a day is 26 °C, that’s five cooling degree days on a single day. Repeat that every day for a month, and you wind up with 150 cooling degree days.

in reply to misk

It is a vicious cycle, yes, but I think it changed the world. Without A/C we would not have SOCAL, Florida, Texas, etc. or India or others.
in reply to Papamousse

I could do without a few of those
in reply to Papamousse

We might not have them as you see them today, but there is building science that is centuries old that works with the environment to have architectural solutions that don't even rely on electricity to retain heat or cool a space. There's also the more modern passive house design. As someone born and raised in a hot climate like you mentioned, had we created a built environment like this instead of crippling ourselves to use fossil fuels and refrigerants with high global warming potential, we wouldn't be where we are today. I agree that a/c changed the world. That change could have been a much more positive one had we taken a more practical approach!
in reply to Papamousse

All of those areas where populated long before A/C was a thing
in reply to Mannimarco

Of course, but there would not be millions/billions of people at that latitude without A/C
in reply to misk

Sure, let’s just gloss over the cost of heating - which relies heavily on fossil fuels or smog-producing fuels, or both.

Datacentre thermal management (especially for AI)isn’t even in the same ballpark as cooling for homes. One produces pretty charts for management, the other keeps people alive.

in reply to misk

The Orange R by John Clagett written back in 1978 was describing this feedback loop in its story.

In the story Nuclear radiation was poisoning the air and scrubbers all over the country were cleaning up the radiation but were using nuclear power to power them creating a huge feedback loop where more radiation was leaking and needing more scrubbers to clean it.

I won't give away what they thought about solar power, but it's awfully close to the same messages that certain orange people say about wind and solar power to this day.

ETA: it's amazing that back in the '70s they thought our future would be nuclear pollution from power plants while they had polluting coal plants and now 50 plus years later we still have polluting coal plants.

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in reply to kubok

Have you added a UV filter to your glass? They can significantly limit how much the sun heats up your house.
in reply to HubertManne

Glass blocks UVA pretty well but not UVB.

The tinting I have on my windows produces a very noticeable difference as to how much the window sill heats up. Without blocking too much visible light.

in reply to HumbleFlamingo

We are actually considering replacing our windows entirely with triple layer panes and in-built UV filters. Our current windows are double-layered and ~30 years old.
in reply to kubok

There should be laws against poorly maintained office ACs.


there are regulation about this. in decent offices they regularly check things like air flow, speed, quality of the air, temperature , etc

enforcing them is a different story

in reply to kubok

I don't know if you've already heard of them or if they're even available where you live, but if it's the cold air that bugs you, there are water-cooled ceiling plates that work just as well as a conventional A/C. An office I used to work at had them and they were lovely. They cost quite a bit more though.

As an alternative if you just want to avoid feeding surplus energy into the grid, what about a battery of 5-20kWh? It could store more energy than the A/C uses during the day, probably costs about the same or less, and you can use that energy at night.

in reply to Radiant_sir_radiant

The thing that bothers me most about office AC, is that the air is stale due to poor maintenance. Yes there are regulations against this, but those are not being enforced because that would cost money and hurr-durr stockholders and hurr-durr employers. Home ACs are just wasteful. I live in a neighbourhood that has many many gardens that are fully paved over. In order to counter the heat, each house has several AC units. Dumb fucks.

I installed solar panels 5 years ago. Back then, a home battery was ~€9000 , so not worth it. Currently, a home battery starts at ~€1500 but with pitifully low capacity. There's currently no real incentive to install these. You may save a bit of money, but at its current rate you would look at a 15 year ROI.

Switching to an EV would be a nice idea for surplus energy, but our anti-environment government has made it very unattractive to buy one, but now I am going off-topic so I'll save that for another rant.

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in reply to misk

Another feedback loop is that, thanks to thermodynamics, the heat being removed from homes and businesses is transferred into the environment, further raising temperatures.
in reply to Pete Hahnloser

All the energy from the sun becomes heat in the environment eventually.
in reply to TonyTonyChopper

Not exactly. Much of it radiates out into space. If all the sun's energy remained in the atmosphere, climate change wouldn't be a concern, as the Earth wouldn't have been habitable for humans to even evolve.
in reply to misk