Students Are Learning Less and Getting Higher Grades Because of AI, Study Finds
Students Are Learning Less and Getting Higher Grades Because of AI, Study Finds
As universities struggle to adapt to AI, the future of the workforce is on the line.Ece Yildirim (Gizmodo)
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Powderhorn
in reply to Midnight • • •HobbitFoot
in reply to Powderhorn • • •The point of an undergraduate degree isn't knowledge; knowledge is only the first level in Bloom's Taxonomy, a set of six levels of how people understand different topics.
The problem with the use of AI in college is that students are supposed to get to the application point in undergrad and that college is supposed to provide that practice. Using AI in college is like using a machine to lift weights. Sure, the weights are moved, but it doesn't benefit the person who needed the exercise.
t3rmit3
in reply to HobbitFoot • • •Ignoring that Bloom's Taxonomy is outdated and disproven (not that it was ever based on empirical data)...
This hasn't been true for a long time, ime; colleges have mostly been about laying foundations for years, ever since we moved to a gen-ed system that disfavored any kind of specialized learning at the cost of any usable skills (and since defunding and prison-ifying high schools made even gen-ed baselines not happen in practice). They've been having to make up for what kids aren't getting in high school, but that also means that by the time they leave with an undergrad they have almost no experience of applying their knowledge to real-world-repevant problems.
HobbitFoot
in reply to t3rmit3 • • •NaibofTabr
in reply to Powderhorn • • •Hmm, depending on whose opinion you listen to, education systems have always been built around workforce productivity:
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in reply to NaibofTabr • • •NaibofTabr
in reply to HobbitFoot • • •Well... the first colleges were established to train clergy, because reading and writing were rare skills at the time, and there was a demand for trained clergy who worked as clerks, accountants and record keepers for nobles who could not themselves read or write, which I think just circles back to the workforce productivity thing.
This is also true for Confucian schools in China. The students were not clergy in the religious sense, but they learned reading, writing and tradition in order to become useful administrators for local rulers.
HobbitFoot
in reply to NaibofTabr • • •Colleges haven't been training people how to read for centuries; it has been assumed that people entering college could read and write with a pen for a long time and college shifted with it.
And the collegiate system wasn't based on Confucian teaching styles.
thanksforallthefish
in reply to HobbitFoot • • •Yes but that is exactly the timeframe the person you replied to is discussing.
It has been quite a while since nobles were generally illiterate and needed clergy to read and write for them...centuries in fact
Sarah Valentine (she/her)
in reply to Powderhorn • • •So someone with the wealth and power to act on that knowledge can use it to fuck over mankind for more wealth and power.
Em Adespoton
in reply to Midnight • • •Is breadth of learning always the goal though? Sounds like students are learning to work smarter, not harder.
Now, if they aren’t learning the core competencies in their field of study, that’s a problem. If they just aren’t learning how to write an essay or remember some shortcuts they’ll never need once they graduate, I fail to see a problem.
sculd
in reply to Em Adespoton • • •Em Adespoton
in reply to sculd • • •No, it really isn’t. It’s one method of exercising critical thinking, but someone can go through life never having written an essay and still develop and demonstrate their critical thinking skills.
It’s when we get the vehicle confused with or fused to the concept that we run into trouble in cases like handling LLM use in education.
Should students learn how to craft an essay? Definitely. It teaches all sorts of additional skills that are required to write in that format, assuming you have to generate the entire written work yourself.
Similarly, long division is a useful skill to learn, as are Riemann sums. But so is using a graphing calculator to do your dividing and differentiation for you. LLMs are a tool, not much different from a graphing calculator.
SocialistVibes01
in reply to Midnight • • •its_me_xiphos
in reply to Midnight • • •Former professor here!
Students these days are fucked. Professors are fucked too. Two points about AI and one about grade inflation. I'll keep this brief and give you three quick observations:
1) US, Canadian, and UK students are increasingly under pressure to pay more for everything. When you need to choose between working to pay rent and studying, you outsource to AI. Student athletes are, by far, the worst due to the exploitation opportunity athletics programs view them as. Practice more, study less, shop it to AI.
... Show more...2) Student evaluations caused me more pain than anything else. I won a student curated Teacher of the Year award at my university. I'm good at teaching and love it. My student evals were from the ones that got bad grades. Those students spent more time challenging a C or below than actually studying. I know other professors grade inflate just to avoid bad evals and lost time. The eval system needs reform.
3) The rapidity in the decline in critical thinking, writing, and problem solving skills is shocking. One moment that sticks with me was when a st
Former professor here!
Students these days are fucked. Professors are fucked too. Two points about AI and one about grade inflation. I'll keep this brief and give you three quick observations:
1) US, Canadian, and UK students are increasingly under pressure to pay more for everything. When you need to choose between working to pay rent and studying, you outsource to AI. Student athletes are, by far, the worst due to the exploitation opportunity athletics programs view them as. Practice more, study less, shop it to AI.
2) Student evaluations caused me more pain than anything else. I won a student curated Teacher of the Year award at my university. I'm good at teaching and love it. My student evals were from the ones that got bad grades. Those students spent more time challenging a C or below than actually studying. I know other professors grade inflate just to avoid bad evals and lost time. The eval system needs reform.
3) The rapidity in the decline in critical thinking, writing, and problem solving skills is shocking. One moment that sticks with me was when a student insisted Flint, MI didn't have a water problem but a political leadership problem. OK, fair, explain. They just stared at their laptop blankly. Started typing. Read a chatgpt response. That stuck with me. They probably heard a talking point or used AI for their question and had zero understanding of the situation at all. Its my job to inform them and educate, but it was the blind reliance on AI as their rationalization and knowledge tool that stuck.