Eh. I am very happy with thwir service, but I didn't opt for the free tier. It has replaced my old VPN service provider, 1Password, google's 2FA, Google Drive, and the office suite is useful.

Since i was paying for other services that offered no privacy, switching to a single paid service with privacy ended up saving me money, so no complaints.

It is a shakedown to accept your data for free then charge you to access it later.

What the fuck else would you call that?

but instead you’re coming to Lemmy to the echo chamber of hate on proton which won’t help

You call it an echo chamber, others call it having some standards on how much your software should be taking advantage of you instead of the other way around.

You sound like the kind of person who, in the 90s, would have defended Microsoft against GNU and Linux and the FOSS movement as a whole, "This is the way the world works." No. I was using Keepass prior to Proton Pass. Proton proved to be a downgrade in every way. As a company they are in the same bracket as Ubuntu - trojan horse style grifters who wave juuust enough open-source around to lull users into dependency on a service that overall does not support user freedoms. They are grifters. It's the same playbook as Google.

Software needs to be free on every level. It's fine to sell free software, but if any part of it is proprietary, it's as the FSF says - it's a tool of unjust power over you.

And I don't need that. Better alternatives already exist. Proton was straight up a downgrade.

It sounds like this is the free service charging to access data you already gave them with the expectation it would always be available later. And which might not exist elsewhere.

That's not fremium, that's ransomware.

Vaultwarden is free. Bitwarden is free. Bitwarden Premium is 10€/year.

For what it offers, Proton is pretty expensive. They are also making inter-operation with other services difficult or impossible.

There's much worse, but they aren't that great either.

I had to look into it, because their pricing plans seem to have changed now. Evidently I have something called Proton Plus, $4.99 per month. It looks like that plans benefits do not extend to additional Proton Pass features.

I'm going to be transferring accounts away from Proton and then closing my accounts entirely. Already moved all my passwords back to Keepass. My main email address has been on posteo(.de), which has been great. Super reliable service from a company who appears to actually get the ethos of FOSS. I only pay, I think $12 per year for their service.

I'm sorry, but what? Number one, we're talking about text. Bytes of data, which costs next to nothing to store. If you think that it is in any way fair for a company to allow a person to enter information into an account, and then unexpectedly charge them to access that same data, you are insane. If you paid for a storage rental, moved your belongings into it, and then found that the company changed the lock and decided you had to pay more to get your stuff - would you continue renting that storage?

Go back to reddit, corposhill.

we're talking about text. Bytes of data, which costs next to nothing to store.

No but your files are not stored as text files. That's not what you're paying for. You're paying for the development of the software used to create, store and fill them at the appropriate times and places. If you don't care about that, just keep them stored as text files on your computer. Boom, problem solved.

If you paid for a storage rental, moved your belongings into it, and then found that the company changed the lock and decided you had to pay more to get your stuff

You keep using that phrase. You are not "paying more" because you never paid anything in the first place.

Go back to reddit, corposhill.

If you think Reddit is the only place that's going to call you out for being a choosy beggar, you're in for a surprise.

No but your files are not stored as text files. That’s not what you’re paying for. You’re paying for the development of the software used to create, store and fill them at the appropriate times and places. If you don’t care about that, just keep them stored as text files on your computer. Boom, problem solved.

But you say just below this that I never paid for anything in the first place? In any case, whether paid or not, they still have to compete with other options including free ones like Keepass. Why would I pay for Proton over the free Keepass if Proton is basically ransomware?

You keep using that phrase. You are not “paying more” because you never paid anything in the first place.

Untrue. I was paying for it, and they required that I pay even more just to access the data that their system allowed me to enter.

If you think Reddit is the only place that’s going to call you out for being a choosy beggar, you’re in for a surprise.

You rn:

you say just below this that I never paid for anything in the first place?

Excuse me, let me correct myself: That's what you're not paying for. Better? Does that make you anymore correct?

Why would I pay for Proton over the free Keepass if Proton is basically ransomware?

KeePass is local storage. It's not managed. But by all means, If you don't see the value, use KeePass. Not sure what you're complaining here for.

I was paying for it

Okay, so you stopped paying for it. That's why you can no longer access it. You can still export your data and import it into KeePass. So go do it.

You rn:

1. Proton is most certainly not a multi-billion dollar corporation, moron.
2. Your argument suggest that corporations aren't possibly able to hold a valid argument. I'm not siding with the corporations, I'm siding with basic logic and reason. It's not complicated. You are not entitled to anything they offer if you don't pay for it.

Hassle? What hassle? Adding a new device to the syncthing swarm and adding the folder where your database is stored?

I also have been using KeepassXC and syncthing for years. Best thing I have ever done!

This is the route I'm taking. Keepass has always been tried and true. I switched from Keepass to Proton Pass for a while, and in more ways than this one complaint it has been very much a downgrade.

Proton does not know how to make quality software.

Oh yeah, this is a very annoying pricing model. Proportionally very expensive for each individual part/product, but then a proportionally lower price for the whole thing. But in absolute amounts, more money was payed.

The closest example I can think of is fast food cup sizes.

What they want is for you to think "Hmm I need a VPN and an email, but it's cheaper to just buy the whole unlimited package"

It might have changed but there is a setting for it now.

Pretty annoying that I'm just learning setting no signature did nothing since they added a second signature option for when sending from mobile and enabled it by default.