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The Unparalleled Ed Zitron Gives an Overview of the DeepSeek situation


in reply to PhilipTheBucket

Lol, Ed Zirtron is very paralleled.

He's pessimistic and cynical to the point of being conspiratorial and delusional.

He's someone to listen to when you want to hear someone go on an unhinged rant about the tech industry, not someone you listen to when you want to actually understand how it works.

I mean look at this trash article, he spends 5000 words saying effectively nothing. Things he could have explained by just linking to pre-existing, better written articles, instead, he rehashes everything in a snarky tone while skipping over some of the most important points (like training through distillation).

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in reply to masterspace

But it's not just that "they effectively trained their model using OpenAI's model". The point Ed goes on to make is why hasn't OpenAI done the same thing? The marvel of DeepSeek is how much more efficient it is, whereas Big Tech keeps insisting that they need ever bigger data centers.
in reply to theComposer

They HAVE done that. It's one of the techniques they use to produce things like o1 mini models and the other mini models that run on device.

But that's not a valid technique for creating new foundation models, just for creating refined versions of existing models. You would never have been able to create for instance, an o1 model from Chat PT 3.5 using distillation.

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in reply to masterspace

This seems unfairly dismissive of someone who's proved themselves time and again. The article might not be about what you wish it was about but it's insightful about the topic it covers.
in reply to masterspace

Literally. Al lhe said was China made an LLM with less. The end.
in reply to melp

If that was all he said, I would have no issue with that. But no, he spent 10,000 words padding that sentiment out with as much tripe and snark as he could.
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in reply to masterspace

I feel that. I got 1/3rd through it and was wondering how the hell he managed to write so much with so little.
in reply to masterspace

He didn't skip anything my dude. You can say it's saying nothing, I guess the nvidia stock price doesn't reflect anything at all. Fucking ai morons, your pillow won't ever be sentient
in reply to mayooooo

Lmfao, so now Lemmy thinks that the stock market is an arbiter of value and truth?

I'm sure you really thought that one through. You seem incapable of understanding nuance or thinking through your points, so maybe sit a few conversations out and reflect on the fact that you immediately defaulted to thinking of me as a moustache twirling villain.

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in reply to PhilipTheBucket

I wish more people would hold Sam Altman's feet to the fire, hold him to some semblance of accountability. Because the man has made an entire career of failing upwards, from launching a short lived startup that imploded, to suddenly becoming president of ycombinator, to suddenly being worth billions of dollars, and literally paying people in the third world (with monopoly money, of course) for their eyeballs

Oh and there's the whole thing where he might have molested his kid sister, which is always seemingly glossed over

Even Ed Zitron, who isn't afraid to go after someone (see his articles about the guy who destroyed Google search) seems to handle Sam with kid gloves

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in reply to Paradox

This is one more time when I wonder how the hell people like Altman make it to adulthood. If I acted that way I would have been punched in the head SO MANY TIMES. I don't get it. Do these cunts live in bunkers or something? Why don't people call them out to their face or simply punch with all the force you can get through your body? Fucking insane
in reply to PhilipTheBucket

Even more interesting than this whole kerfuffle, are the conversations taking place around it. They look like driven by AIs, with different agendas, trying to discredit and ridicule whatever opponent they identify, rather than interested in finding out what's really going on.

Have the AI Wars started already?

in reply to jarfil

PR has sprung into action - Fortune articles, Guardian articles, all running damage limitation.
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