Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts
Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI's Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.
Maven Imported 1.12 Million Fediverse Posts
A recent investigation by Liaizon Wakest revealed that Maven, a new social network founded by former OpenAI Team Lead Ken Stanley, has been importing a vast amount of statuses from Mastodon without anSean Tilley (We Distribute)
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FinchHaven
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Been looking into #Maven all morning
Just going to copy-paste two posts
The head admin/dev @jsecretan claims:
"Happy to remove any of your posts from Maven and cease ingestion from those servers going forward"
So, after the fact, individuals on Mastodon have to contact you personally and ask you to stop?
Is that your position?
Reminds me of Byron Miller (@Supernovae @universeodon.com) and his since-deleted "In four months of having full text seach [we haven't heard from anyone who has be directly harmed]..."
That last is a paraphrase because Supernovae has pretty much removed any mention of himself from the Fediverse, right down to deleting his involvement with Mastodon on Github, causing renchap to opine:
"I suspect that @Supernovae closed it because they do not want to be involved with Mastodon anymore."
here: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/21398#issuecomment-2145321855
Executive summary: there are a lot of people On Here(tm) who don't appreciated every new idea all you bright-eyed young creatives can come up with
[Feature Request] "Infinite scroll" (load more) on large posts or posts over certain size (1000s of comments) · Issue #21398 · mastodon/mastodon
GitHubFinchHaven
in reply to FinchHaven • • •Instructive to read #Maven's #About page and see who's behind it.
Here: https://www.heymaven.com/about
Selected excerpts from "Who is behind Maven?"
"CEO Ken Stanley is an expert on open-ended discovery in both AI and human systems and ... (most recently leading the Open-Endedness Team at #OpenAI )."
At: "Is Maven part of a larger company?"
"No, Maven is an independent startup."
But
"Here are a few of our investors, who also commented on their reasons for supporting Maven:
-- Ev Williams, co-founder of #Twitter: “Maven lets you follow your deepest curiosities instead of the trends of the day.”
-- Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI: ”In Maven, there is a chance for AI to play a role in fixing much that is broken in our online discourse.”
-- Rana El Kaliouby, co-founder of Affectiva..."
Sam Altman
#SamAltman
Where have I heard that name before?
About
www.heymaven.comfossphi
in reply to FinchHaven • • •Everything he touches tends to inevitably turn to shit. This guy and his fellow silicon valley cronies are scum of the earth
QuadratureSurfer
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Hmmm it was even able to pull in private DMs.
Maybe private DMs on Mastadon aren't as private as everyone thinks... that, or the open nature of Activity Pub is leaking them somehow?
Edit - From the article:
From what @delirious_owl@discuss.online mentioned below, it sounds like this shouldn't be very shocking at all.
delirious_owl
in reply to QuadratureSurfer • • •QuadratureSurfer
in reply to delirious_owl • • •?
Did you mean that the other way around?
And if you did... forgive me, I don't really use Mastodon. I was never much of a twitter fan. I don't really like how all of my likes are public (although I guess I have had to get used to that with Lemmy).
delirious_owl
in reply to QuadratureSurfer • • •QuadratureSurfer
in reply to delirious_owl • • •Ah, I see.
So it's the same mistake that Lemmy users make when thinking that Upvotes/Downvotes aren't public.
It sounds like DMs on Mastodon are public, but are commonly mistaken to be private then?
delirious_owl
in reply to QuadratureSurfer • • •JackbyDev
in reply to delirious_owl • • •delirious_owl
in reply to JackbyDev • • •JackbyDev
in reply to delirious_owl • • •Sean Tilley
in reply to QuadratureSurfer • • •QuadratureSurfer
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •What @delirious_owl@discuss.online seemed to be implying is that direct messages on Mastodon should be considered "public" rather than "private".
I'm assuming that's along the same lines of how Lemmy users generally think that their upvotes/downvotes are private when in reality, if you know how to look for them, you can see them.
delirious_owl
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •ShortN0te
in reply to delirious_owl • • •You missed the point. It is not about if it is private or not, it is how they use it.
You are allowed (on some pages) to read news article. Are you allowed to copy and publish them on your own site? No.
You have a Copyright on your posts same as a author has on his books.
If it is legal or not is still to be discussed.
Similar to how data was mined (or even still is) about users without consent. Now there is for example the GDPR.
delirious_owl
in reply to ShortN0te • • •GBU_28
in reply to ShortN0te • • •Still doesn't explain how public posts on a public, decentralized social media platform are implied to be "mine" or that I have any influence on the end use. It's hosted on someone else's computer from the get go, if anything the server owners are the content owners more than I am.
Edit it'd be like if I started seeding a file on a torrent platform, then got upset when someone downloaded it.
⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻
in reply to GBU_28 • • •GBU_28
in reply to ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻ • • •⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻
in reply to GBU_28 • • •GBU_28
in reply to ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻ • • •ShortN0te
in reply to GBU_28 • • •I write a book that gets published. I still hold copyright over it even if it is in someone else's bookshelf. What rights the copyright holder and the person has is regulated by law. For example a physical book can be resold or lent to someone else, but it is not allowed to copy it and sell the copies.
I can cite text from the boom, that falls under fair use but I cannot use whole chapters in a derived work.
I still hold copyright over my messages online, even when it is public or published, that is basic copyright law in most relevant legislations.
If the training of an LLM and later selling access to the LLM with copyright infringed data is fair use is yet to be determined.
GBU_28
in reply to ShortN0te • • •There is no copyright on publicly posted messages.
Edit none that is durable
ShortN0te
in reply to GBU_28 • • •GBU_28
in reply to ShortN0te • • •hollyberries
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Noooo fucking shit? If they spent more than a minute on a proper instance and not ~~milquetoast~~ mastodon dot social, they would have realised that a good number of fedi users despise shenanigans like this?
bartolomeo
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Railcar8095
in reply to bartolomeo • • •Have those but been harvested? Did the users get compensation?
The day that has any effect aside from bloating the thread, I'll accept they are not stupid.
bartolomeo
in reply to Railcar8095 • • •Railcar8095
in reply to bartolomeo • • •Nobody said to get rid of the laws. I'm telling to enforce them. Posting that and not following through is why people thinks they are stupid.
I'll root hard for anybody suing them. If they don't because they think it's impossible to win it because it's hard, then, they are the ones de-facto giving away the law.
Nemeski
in reply to bartolomeo • • •Jeena
in reply to Nemeski • • •Danterious
in reply to Nemeski • • •I think it is more important to have a non-commercial tag/license added.
~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 Deed | Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International | Creative Commons
creativecommons.orgGBU_28
in reply to bartolomeo • • •LiveLM
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Make the world a better place, bully your local tech bro today!
Railcar8095
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •Please, if there's a god, don't let ChatGPT learn from hexbears.
I don't want it explaining why actually invading Ukraine is good for Ukraine when I ask for a smoothy recipe.
ReakDuck
in reply to Railcar8095 • • •feoh
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •I looked at their site and thought: What a #!@$ stupid idea.
The whole thing stinks of Twitter brain. "Follow topics, not people"? So what you're saying is that the null brains on Twitter are far too focused on whenever one of the Kardassians farts to focus on anything real?
Puhh-lease. The Fediverse isn't about that all.
Hard pass.