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L'integralismo portato all'eccesso.
Pericoloso e molto preoccupante soprattutto perché riguarda i giovani. Non finirà bene 😒
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One wonders how little notice seems to be directed at the extreme irony of this basically being how fascist youth movements have always worked - from the Red Guards of the Chinese Cultural Revolution to, yes, the Hitler Youth...
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This suggests that, analogous to the de-nazification in Germany after WW2, a comprehensive de-zionisation of Israeli society was necessary. However, like in Germany, this can only succeed after a complete defeat of the Israeli army and state apparatus. The problem is that there is no coalition of allied forces in sight who are willing to bring this about.

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@messaroundmarx
The de-nazification in Germany was a failure. Then there's Austria, where things were worse.
A "some animals are more equal than other animals" comes to mind.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazifi…

The USA were friendly with Hitler at first, and eventually they joined in to fight against Nazi Germany. Only to profit from it. Then there's the Marshall plan for recovery of Europe which may explain why still so many European countries think the USA is a sort of promised land and the ultimate ally to rely on, whether it is for Big Tech or for military defense. Meanwhile the Nazis were not all punished. Some got huge promotions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio…

When it comes to Zionism and Israel. Countries like USA, UK, Netherlands and perhaps especially Germany are very complicit.
The fact that many Germans prefer to communicate in German rather than English makes this more challenging.

See also this problem in German :

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideut…

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There's a great airport book called The Culture Code, about attitudes worldwide and how to adjust your expectations in dealing with people. There are two countries that are outliers in terms of bluntness, giving you negative feedback in front of others, and other such behaviours which make them come across as assholes to others - Russia and Israel.

I tread very carefully when dealing with people from these countries, and prefer to keep my interactions functional and short.

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this struck me:

"Over time, people learn where those edges are. They avoid them. Not necessarily because they agree, but because pushing against them comes at a price. This creates a subtle but powerful effect. It shapes not only what is said, but what is explored internally. "

It's how the status quo is enforced. We see this with the UK at the moment and how folks are getting locked up for protesting genocide.

Folks not quite at the edges have something to loose so they look away.

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A simple example: a few weeks ago I was walking in the street (not in my neighborhood, but a perfectly "normal" one) with a T shirt that said "peace". It wasn't a protest or a situation where one would expect confrontation. Just everyday life.
A teenager [a total stranger] said to me: "you're wearing a shirt saying "peace"? I hope you burn (שתישרף)".
This article helped me understand how "Normal" that kid was. It takes an outsider to see the pattern.
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in reply to Aral Balkan

Thank you for this, I too noticed this, although in not such a long period, years ago in Israel. I've tried to explain it to friends but you have done a better job than I've managed.
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@lindasgoluppiart The thanks go to Michael Cohen, who wrote the article; I was just quoting and linking to it :)
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I've been all around the world and there had never been a place I felt more unwelcome as a progressive Jew than in Israel. And it was a long time ago, I was young and hadn't expected that, and the shock of it kinda opened my eyes and rippled though a lot of things.

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You don't have to go far to see this type effect.

I see these attitudes, which I consider to be one of exclusion, or "dehumanizing" in older adults and more unsettling the youth in America, in UK, mainland Europe, really anywhere and everywhere.

It seems to always accompany the extreme right, extreme greed, extreme devotion to a particular sociopathic culture or 'entertainment', or extremist religions.

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just another "BARRA BRAVA": a southamerican way to call soccer hooligans: people inmerse in deep fanatism, who confront with violence, guns and knives everyone who oppose them. Of course, they operate as a pack, never alone. That is a barra brava and that's exactly what you described here.