The arrest of #Telegram's founder Pavel #Durov sets a dangerous precedent for what kind of action can be taken against supporters of #privacy & #cryptography.
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There are lots of messaging apps similar to WhatsApp. Here's a review of the best secure alternatives: Signal, Threema, Telegram, Element, Wire, SimpleX, Session, and more.Tuta
Kierkegaanks regretfully
in reply to Tuta • • •Christiaan :nixos: :flag_nl:
in reply to Kierkegaanks regretfully • • •@Tutanota
Tuta
in reply to Christiaan :nixos: :flag_nl: • • •@RyuKurisu @Kierkegaanks Telegram should not be considered a secure messaging app because it does not guarantee end-to-end encryption by default.
We apologize if this message was less than clear in the above post.
Cédric Jeanneret :blobwave:
in reply to Tuta • • •though putting Telegram in the same basket as any other (real) e2e encrypted application is a mistake.
FTR, default chats aren't encrypted at all in Telegram, ppl have to take extra steps to get actual encryption. We really can't talk about "encryption" in that case.
Still - valid point, this is again "them" trying to undermine communication secrecy "for the good of children" and other consideration, accusing the tool, not the ppl.
Tuta
in reply to Cédric Jeanneret :blobwave: • • •FediThing 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tuta • • •Telegram is not E2EE. Telegram is terrible for privacy because it misleads people into thinking it is private.
Messages and group chats on Telegram are by default visible to Telegram's staff and whoever they choose to share the messages with:
https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/113027895863620855
https://rys.io/en/171.html
There is also some very disturbing behaviour by Telegram detailed in the article linked above.
Telegram is not E2EE. Telegram is terrible for privacy because it misleads people into thinking it is private.
Messages and group chats on Telegram are by default visible to Telegram's staff and whoever they choose to share the messages with:
https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/113027895863620855
https://rys.io/en/171.html
There is also some very disturbing behaviour by Telegram detailed in the article linked above.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
2024-08-26 10:40:21
Ténno Seremélʹ
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •@FediThing If all goes “well”, that won’t stop EU from using it as a stepping stone to push Chat Control, IMO. Bureaucrats play la la la can’t hear you game very well.
@Tutanota
Stone Bear :HeartGenderqueer:
in reply to FediThing 🏳️🌈 • • •Keep up! Durov's arrest was NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, nor (as everybody else pointed out) does Telegram *claim* to do to e2ee by default unlike Signal and Threema.
If you're gonna fight fascism and general snoopiness, fight ALL OF IT, or people (including me!) will vote with our feet and our wallets. Durov had it coming, as do his ruble-paying bosses.
Tuta
in reply to Stone Bear :HeartGenderqueer: • • •@stonebear We are not defending the founder of Telegram, it is far too early to make an statements in that regard because we do not know the full extent of the charges.
Telegram is not considered a secure messaging app because it does not guarantee end-to-end encryption by default.
We apologize if this message was less than clear in the post.
Security Writer :verified: :donor:
in reply to Tuta • • •Doerk
in reply to Tuta • • •el_haych2024
in reply to Tuta • • •Chris Ferguson
in reply to Tuta • • •You're on the wrong side of this one...
It's not a privacy/cryptography issue, especially since Telegram isn't really E2E encrypted.
T.B. Cristão :verified:
in reply to Tuta • • •To be clear, Telegram is an active vector of russia’s genocidal war against 🇺🇦, and its disinformation operations against the West.
Durov is a Kremlin asset whose platform, the West cannot afford to give free rein to when matters of national security for France, Ukraine and NATO allies are at stake.
As Goebbels famously said, “It will always remain one of the best jokes of democracy that it provided its mortal enemies with the means through which it was annihilated.”
Cedr\c :ivory_logo:
in reply to Tuta • • •Hi! Your comment re @signalapp is no longer true. No need to use a telephone number. Pseudo is enough. Please update your article :
— However, to use Signal one must provide a valid mobile phone number to the messaging service, which prevents anyone from using Signal with complete anonymity.
Cons Others can see that your are using Signal (if phone number is known)
Jobu Tupaki
in reply to Tuta • • •Mari 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tuta • • •Tuta
in reply to Mari 🏳️🌈 • • •anenemy
in reply to Tuta • • •Tuta
in reply to anenemy • • •nictakiego
in reply to Tuta • • •Tuta
in reply to nictakiego • • •@nictakiego Telegram should not considered a secure messaging app because it does not guarantee end-to-end encryption by default.
We apologize if this message was less than clear in the above post.
nictakiego
in reply to Tuta • • •Tuta
in reply to nictakiego • • •Alex
in reply to Tuta • • •Tuta
in reply to Alex • • •@alexaralvarado We are not defending the founder of Telegram because we do not know the full extent of the charges. The illegal content distributed through those channels is abhorrent and should be prosecuted.
What we are saying is that the inclusion of charges directly related to cryptography are concerning for companies building such tools.
We apologize if this message was less than clear in the post.
jidec
in reply to Tuta • • •SimpleX relies on a network of relays (SMP servers): these ones can be joined directly or you can connect to their onion equivalent through Tor. This will give you an overlay to hide your IP. It uses Orbot on android for that.
And you can install your own SMP server(s) if you want if you don't trust the native ones, connected of course to Tor.